Bigger Planet, Same Gravity -- Different Density?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical characteristics of a distant planet that is three times the size of Earth but has the same gravitational pull. Participants explore the implications of such a scenario on the planet's material composition, density, and potential for supporting life forms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the planet would need to have a density one-third that of Earth, suggesting a specific gravity of roughly 1.83.
  • There are suggestions that materials like Beryllium, Cesium, Phosphorus, epoxy, or fiberglass could be viable, but they would need to retain their properties under high pressure.
  • Others mention that a combination of a heavy rock core and gaseous layers could achieve the desired density, although doubts are raised about the existence of a solid surface.
  • One participant questions the feasibility of a solid surface on a moon that is three times the size of Earth, suggesting that it may lead to instability in the system.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the concept of having a heavier core with lighter materials on the surface to average out the density.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the material composition and structural stability of the hypothetical planet and its moon. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the specifics of the planet's characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions about density, material properties under pressure, and the stability of larger moons in a planetary system.

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I'm doing some research for a sci-fi story that I'm writing and hoping that some of you chemists can help me answer a quick question about the material of a hypothetical distant planet.

If a distant planet were three times the size of Earth with the same gravitational pull, what would the planet's material be like?

Would it have to be gaseous? Is there any situation in which it would be firm enough for earth-like life forms to walk on? Is there a version where the material is something like quicksand?

Please excuse my ignorance! Thanks in advance for your help.
 
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It would have to be one-third as dense as Earth - or a specific gravity of roughly 1.83.
At it would have to be able to retain that sg under high pressure - so light clays or plaster probably would not work.

Pure water would be too light.

How about Beryllium, Cesium, Phosphorus, epoxy, fiber glass, or a mixture. Of course, you can give it a heavier core and allow lighter oceans on the surface.
 
Jupiter has density around 1.3 g/mL, Staurn even below 1 g/mL, so definitely some combination of heavy rock core and gas could produce density you are looking for. But I doubt in the solid surface then. Perhaps solid surface on the planet moon would suffice?
 
.Scott said:
It would have to be one-third as dense as Earth - or a specific gravity of roughly 1.83.
At it would have to be able to retain that sg under high pressure - so light clays or plaster probably would not work.

Pure water would be too light.

How about Beryllium, Cesium, Phosphorus, epoxy, fiber glass, or a mixture. Of course, you can give it a heavier core and allow lighter oceans on the surface.

Thanks Scott. What do you mean when you say "of course, you can give it a heavier core and allow lighter oceans on the surface"? Sorry I don't understand this stuff as well as you do!
 
Borek said:
Jupiter has density around 1.3 g/mL, Staurn even below 1 g/mL, so definitely some combination of heavy rock core and gas could produce density you are looking for. But I doubt in the solid surface then. Perhaps solid surface on the planet moon would suffice?

Hm interesting. The planet moon would still have to be smaller in order to keep that gravity/solid surface, right? If the moon were three times the size of earth, I'd still run into the same problem?
 
scifiwriter888 said:
Thanks Scott. What do you mean when you say "of course, you can give it a heavier core and allow lighter oceans on the surface"? Sorry I don't understand this stuff as well as you do!
It simply has to average 1.83. So the middle could be heavier and the surface lighter.
 
scifiwriter888 said:
The planet moon would still have to be smaller in order to keep that gravity/solid surface, right? If the moon were three times the size of earth, I'd still run into the same problem?
Not sure what you mean. Too large moon means actually a double planet, I am not sure if such systems are stable in a long run, especially when other planets are present. Smaller and more dense moon would have a solid surface without problems, just like our Moon does, but the lower mass definitely means lower gravity on its surface.
 

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