Bijective & continuous -> differentiable?

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The discussion revolves around whether a bijective continuous function from the interval [a,b] to [f(a),f(b)] must be differentiable. Participants explore various examples and counter-examples, examining the implications of continuity, bijectiveness, and differentiability.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that a bijective continuous function must be differentiable, citing the intermediate value theorem and the necessity of monotonicity for bijectiveness.
  • Others present counter-examples, such as a piecewise function that is continuous and bijective but not differentiable at a specific point.
  • One participant suggests that a continuous bijection could be constructed that is differentiable only on a set of measure zero, referencing the possibility of using functions with varying slopes at non-rational numbers.
  • Another participant introduces the Cantor function as an example of a continuous bijection that is not differentiable on an uncountable set of measure zero.
  • Discussion includes references to mathematical concepts like Lebesgue's decomposition theorem and the Minkowski question mark function, which has a zero derivative on the rationals but is not differentiable on the irrationals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the relationship between bijectiveness, continuity, and differentiability.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on specific definitions of continuity and differentiability, and the discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps regarding the properties of the functions mentioned.

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Is a bijective continuous function:[a,b]->[f(a),f(b)] differentiable?
I think it has to be.
continuity between two distinct values of f(a) and f(b): it got to take all the values between f(a) and f(b) at x in [a,b], by the intermediate value theorem.
if f is bijective, at [a,b], f(x) can't go up and then down at [a,b]. it has to be monotonically increasing for it to be bijective.
so a function can only be non-differentiable at a set of points of measure zero. (like the vertical tangent of f(x)=x^1/3 at 0)
 
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The function f defined by:
f(x) = x when 0 <= x <= 1
f(x) = 2x - 1 when 1 <= x <= 2
on [0, 2] is a counter-example to the original statement "bijective & continuous => differentiable".

I suspect you can use this even to make a continuous bijection that is differentiable only on a set of measure zero, by taking a monotonously increasing function like above, of which the slope increases at every non-rational number.
 
lolgarithms said:
Is a bijective continuous function:[a,b]->[f(a),f(b)] differentiable?
I think it has to be.
continuity between two distinct values of f(a) and f(b): it got to take all the values between f(a) and f(b) at x in [a,b], by the intermediate value theorem.
if f is bijective, at [a,b], f(x) can't go up and then down at [a,b]. it has to be monotonically increasing for it to be bijective.
so a function can only be non-differentiable at a set of points of measure zero. (like the vertical tangent of f(x)=x^1/3 at 0)
Consider y(x)= x if 0\le x&lt; 1, 2x if 1\le x\le 2. That is a bijective from [0, 2] to [0, 4] and is continuous. It is NOT differentiable at x=1.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Consider y(x)= x if 0\le x&lt; 1, 2x if 1\le x\le 2. That is a bijective from [0, 2] to [0, 4] and is continuous. It is NOT differentiable at x=1.
It's not continuous, it has a jump at x = 1. If you shift it down by 1, like I did in my example, it works out.
 
i mean... differentiable at all but a "small" (smaller than a real interval) set of points
like a finite set - like the one compuchip mentioned
 
First, I can think of a continuous bijection that fails to be differentiable on an uncountable set of measure zero, viz. the Cantor set. It is

f(x) = x + c(x)​

where c(x) is the Cantor function.

Second, that Wikipedia article links to Minkowski's question mark function, which is claimed to have a zero derivative on the rationals but is not differentiable on the irrationals.
 
the question mark function -
ouch, i was wrong!
 

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