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Yay, just what we need. 
Bush will use these quotes whenever someone disagrees with the US invasion of Iraq.
Bush will use these quotes whenever someone disagrees with the US invasion of Iraq.
Bin Laden's New Tape: Bush Misinterprets Public Opinion Polls
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Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the implications of a new tape from Osama bin Laden, in which he critiques President Bush's interpretation of public opinion regarding the U.S. involvement in Iraq. Participants explore themes of trust, deception, and the political narratives surrounding the war, with a focus on the contrasting perspectives of bin Laden and Bush.
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Main Points Raised
- Some participants highlight bin Laden's assertion that Americans prefer a withdrawal from Iraq, suggesting that Bush misinterprets public opinion polls.
- Others argue that bin Laden's claims may reflect desperation, noting contradictions in his statements about truthfulness in treaties.
- There is a suggestion that both Bush and bin Laden engage in deception, with participants weighing the credibility of each leader's statements.
- Some participants express a belief that bin Laden can be trusted more than Bush, citing the latter's use of fear to further his agenda and attributing significant casualties to his policies.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on the trustworthiness of bin Laden versus Bush, with some agreeing that both have lied but differing on who is more credible. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of bin Laden's statements and the accuracy of public opinion interpretations.
Contextual Notes
Participants reference the complexity of political narratives and the potential for manipulation of public sentiment by both leaders, but do not resolve the underlying assumptions about truth and deception in their statements.
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russ_watters
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Always nice to have confirmation straight from the horses a--er, mouth... 
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Actually, it shows how desperate he is. He says in the message that Allah instructs Muslims to not lie when entering treaties, but that itself is a lie, since Muslims are explicitly permitted to lie when entering treaties in order to buy time and gather strength to successfully attack in the future.
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That's too bad. Let's see...Bush's lies, Osama bin Laden's lies, Bush's lies, Osama bin Laden's lies…BobG said:Yay, just what we need.
Bush will use these quotes whenever someone disagrees with the US invasion of Iraq.
Bush definitely holds the lie record.
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When has Bin Laden lied, Sos? Could you specify, please?
I've said before - you can always trust a terrorist...
I've said before - you can always trust a terrorist...
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My comment was weighing one against the other, with the conclusion that bin Laden can be trusted more than Bush. So I agree with you on this point. However, Bush has also used fear to promote his agenda, and is responsible for more deaths than bin Laden, so some see him as a terrorist too.russ_watters said: