Bioethanol & Water Mixing: Solve Separation Problem

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The discussion centers on the challenge of mixing bioethanol with water in a 60:40 ratio without separation. Participants confirm that ethanol is completely miscible with water, indicating that the separation issue likely arises from impurities in the ethanol. A density check is recommended to verify the purity of the ethanol, as pure ethanol has a density of 0.7892 g/ml. If the density deviates from this value, the ethanol may contain contaminants or be a different substance altogether.

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  • Understanding of ethanol properties and miscibility
  • Knowledge of density calculation and measurement techniques
  • Familiarity with bioethanol production processes
  • Basic laboratory skills for handling and measuring liquids
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  • Conduct a density test on the ethanol using precise measuring techniques
  • Research methods for purifying ethanol to eliminate contaminants
  • Explore the properties of other alcohols and polyols that may affect miscibility
  • Investigate the impact of temperature on the miscibility of ethanol and water
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This discussion is beneficial for chemists, biofuel researchers, and anyone involved in the production and formulation of bioethanol, particularly those facing challenges with ethanol-water mixtures.

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I have been on a project for awhile now and it has to do with production of bio ethanol production from biomass,and also how to add water in ratio 60:40. i.e ethanol will be 60% while water will be 40% without separating. I have tried to mix water with ethanol in this ratio but it keeps separating after awhile. What can I do to stop the separation?
Please kindly advice on what to do. Thank you .
 
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Ethanol is completely miscible with water, meaning that you can mix them in any proportion and form a homogeneous solution. Are you sure that your ethanol is pure and does not have any contaminants that may be separating out? For example, have you checked the density of your ethanol?
 
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Something is not right, as @Ygggdrasil is trying to point out. Ethanol and water always mix, no exceptions. No separations. So, what you have cannot be pure ethanol. There lots of alcohols ( and other partially miscible polyols ) that do not mix completely with water. As above, a density check can verify that what you have is something else. In other words is not pure. The density is easy to derive. Weigh a carefully measured volume. Calculate the density as

##D=\frac{\text {mass}}{\text{volume}}##

Ethanol is .7892 g/ml so accurately weigh (correct to mg) a precise liter of the putative ethanol.
 
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Thank you very much for all your answer. I will definitely do my checking correctly to know where the problem comes from. Thank you very much, am so grateful.
 
I have been on a project for awhile now and it has to do with production of bio ethanol production from biomass,and also how to add water in ratio 60:40. i.e ethanol will be 60% while water will be 40% without separating. I have tried to mix water with ethanol in this ratio but it keeps separating after awhile. What can I do to stop the separation?
Please kindly advice on what to do. Thank you .
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Something is not right, as @Ygggdrasil is trying to point out. Ethanol and water always mix, no exceptions. No separations. So, what you have cannot be pure ethanol. There lots of alcohols ( and other partially miscible polyols ) that do not mix completely with water. As above, a density check can verify that what you have is something else. In other words is not pure. The density is easy to derive. Weigh a carefully measured volume. Calculate the density as

##D=\frac{\text {mass}}{\text{volume}}##

Ethanol is .7892 g/ml so accurately weigh (correct to mg) a precise liter of the putative ethanol.


jim mcnamara said:
Something is not right, as @Ygggdrasil is trying to point out. Ethanol and water always mix, no exceptions. No separations. So, what you have cannot be pure ethanol. There lots of alcohols ( and other partially miscible polyols ) that do not mix completely with water. As above, a density check can verify that what you have is something else. In other words is not pure. The density is easy to derive. Weigh a carefully measured volume. Calculate the density as

##D=\frac{\text {mass}}{\text{volume}}##

Ethanol is .7892 g/ml so accurately weigh (correct to mg) a precise liter of the putative ethanol.

Thank you very much for your response.
 

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