Biomechanics, center of mass of human body and balance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the biomechanics of the human body, specifically focusing on the center of mass and balance. Participants explore how the human body can maintain stability and prevent toppling when the center of mass falls outside the base of support, particularly in the context of activities like gymnastics and acrobatics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that when the center of mass of the human body falls outside the base of support, it typically results in toppling due to gravitational torque.
  • Another participant suggests that while inanimate objects simply turn, walking humans can adjust their support to prevent falling, referencing the inverted pendulum model of walking.
  • A participant expresses doubt about the muscular system's ability to counteract gravitational torque, questioning whether trained individuals like gymnasts can maintain a position with the center of mass outside the base of support.
  • Links to external resources are provided, including a patent and a description of a shoe that enables a specific anti-gravity lean, suggesting interest in practical applications of balance and center of mass concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the muscular system can effectively counteract gravitational torque in all scenarios. There are competing views regarding the capabilities of trained individuals versus the limitations of the human body in maintaining balance.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the limits of human biomechanics or the effectiveness of training in maintaining balance with the center of mass outside the base of support.

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Hello everyone,
I know that the any object, human body included, when the vertical line from its center of mass to the floor falls outside the base of support, topples under the influence of gravity: the force of gravity produces a nonzero torque that rotates the body.

Is the human body able to produce, through the muscles, a torque that can prevent the falling even when the center of mass falls outside the base of support? I think so. We can change our body position to make sure the CM of mass falls within the base of support under the influence of an external push. But I an not sure if gymnasts, circus acrobats can maintain position where the CM is outside the base of support. All inanimate objects simply turn if the CM falls outside the support base.

Thanks!
 
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fog37 said:
All inanimate objects simply turn if the CM falls outside the support base.
So do walking humans, but they change their support to catch the fall. Look up inverted pendelum model of walking.
 
I see. Thanks.
I thought that something like this (see below) may have been possible with sufficient training. But I guess our muscular system cannot counteract the gravitational torque.

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fog37 said:
I see. Thanks.
I thought that something like this (see below) may have been possible with sufficient training. But I guess our muscular system cannot counteract the gravitational torque.

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There suerly is a making of that video on the net.
 

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