Black Holes, Quantum Gravity and the Curvature of spacetime

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This discussion focuses on the relationship between Quantum Gravity and the Curvature of Spacetime, emphasizing their relevance to black holes. Key points include Einstein's 1915 General Relativity (Gen Rel), which describes gravity as geometry, and the ongoing challenge of integrating quantum mechanics with this classical framework. The conversation highlights that while General Relativity has been empirically validated through observations of black holes, the connection to Quantum Gravity remains speculative due to a lack of empirical data on phenomena like Hawking radiation.

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  • Understanding of General Relativity (Gen Rel) and its implications on gravity and spacetime.
  • Familiarity with Quantum Mechanics (QM) and its fundamental principles.
  • Knowledge of black hole properties and observational evidence related to them.
  • Basic grasp of tensor fields and their role in representing physical quantities in spacetime.
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  • #31
RandallB said:
“Quantum Gravity” - Fundamentally based a quantum approach, utilizing QM (its derivatives or equivalents) and uses the Standard Model including the idea of particle exchange of gravitons (yet to be discovered) to account for gravity.
I hope you don't mean that "Quantum Gravity" implies making use of gravitons. There are other approaches too, such as described in
R. Van Nieuwenhove, Quantum Gravity : a Hypothesis, Europhysics Letters, 17 (1), pp. 1-4 (1992)), or in Puthoff's polarizable vacuum concept. Such approaches are based on considering gravitation not as a fundamental force but as derived from modified quantum vacuum properties.
 
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  • #32
DocN:” Can one say that at the singularity, we would find such a transition from GR to quantum states? It appears that even the black hole itself is circular in shape--still a classical formation?”

juan_rod:” is it really an impossibility to say that classical and quantum physics are both one and the same; a thing of perspective rather than two different things? i am reminded of the geometrical classic Flatland and Spaceland books.”

Let me give an example (and the additional argument that it is worth to know electrodynamics):
The peaceful coexistence of quantum and classical physics is well-known in the quasi-classical approximation. One obtains that according to W. Heisenberg UR number of particles is the self-adjoint operator with continuous spectrum (P.Carruthers, M. Nieto, Rev. Mod. Phys., 40,411
(1968)). Indeed, you should use non self-adjoint operators which are relevant in QM as was demonstrated by V.A. Fock many years ago.
 
  • #33
Why does the curvature of spacetime cause matter to experience gravity?
 
  • #34
Blackhaven said:
Why does the curvature of spacetime cause matter to experience gravity?

That was the central idea of the theory of general relativity that appeared in 1915. We have a whole forum at PF that is devoted to relativity (both special 1905 and general 1915). You might try asking your question in that forum.
 
  • #35
Blackhaven said:
Why does the curvature of spacetime cause matter to experience gravity?
Actually: curvature of worldlines would be better, since curved spacetime is a misnomer.
Since spacetime consist of events that combine a position and a time based on the state of an observer, the worldline of the observer is straight (by definition). The observer isn't a person, but the zero point of the frame of reference.
That's a free-falling observer. Seen from there other worldlines are curved, because of gravity.
The reason is - in my eyes- something different and the curvature is an outcome and not the cause.
(Personally I see gravity as an effect of interactions of 'parallel lightcones' that interact and deflect the other one, since there seems to be some kind of rotation with these cones.)
 

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