Block attached to spring on slope

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The problem involves a block of mass M sliding on a frictionless inclined surface attached to a spring. The discussion centers on determining the extension of the spring at equilibrium and analyzing the motion of the block to show that it exhibits simple harmonic motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the equilibrium condition of the block and the forces acting on it, including the spring force and gravitational components. There is an exploration of how to derive acceleration and its relationship to the position of the block. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of variables and the definitions of equilibrium and motion.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the relationships between forces, acceleration, and position. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to derive acceleration as a function of position, and there is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the equilibrium position.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of variables in the context of simple harmonic motion and the specific conditions of the problem, including the absence of friction and the geometry of the setup.

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Homework Statement


A block of mass M can slide freely (without friction) on a flat surface held at an angle \theta to the horizontal. The block is attached to a spring of natural length l and spring constant k. The other end of the spring is fixed to a nail driven into the sloping surface.

i) At equilibrium, by how much is the spring extended?

ii) The block is set in motion directly up and down the slope (i.e. not across the slope). Show that the result is simple harmonic motion with an angular frequency which does not depend on \theta.

Homework Equations


F=-kx

The Attempt at a Solution


i) To be in equilibrium the net force on the block must be zero. So using vector diagram, I got:
F_{spring}=Mgsin(\theta)
and
F_{normal}=Mgcos(\theta)

Then,

F_{spring}=Mgsin(\theta) =-kx
x=\frac{-Mgsin(\theta)}{k}ii)
I know to show simple harmonic motion need to show that:
a=-\omega^2x
I was thinking taking the second derivative of the x found in the above part to find a, but isn't that x the distance the spring is extended when at equilibrium, not a formula for the x position?
 
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I was thinking taking the second derivative of the x found in the above part to find a, but isn't that x the distance the spring is extended when at equilibrium, not a formula for the x position?
...You mean you don't know what the "x" in the formula you have to demonstrate means?
You should ask then.

But does it matter?
Your process is the same: derive the formula for acceleration as a function of x and see if it matches. If you like you can keep track of both the overall extension and the extension at equilibrium and see which one matches the formula you have to show.
 
Thanks for the reply

So letting x_0 be the distance from equilibrium.
F=kx
ma=kx
a=\frac{k}{m}x
And since \omega =\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}
a=\omega^2x
And the x found in part i) would be the distance from the natural length of the spring to equilibrium.
Does this make sense?
 
No - if you just let the box rest at equilibrium, what is it's acceleration?
 

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