Bob's 9 Minute Hourglass Challenge

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The discussion revolves around the challenge of measuring 9 minutes using a 4-minute hourglass and a 7-minute hourglass. Participants explore various methods and strategies to achieve this measurement, focusing on the mechanics of timing and flipping the hourglasses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting both hourglasses simultaneously and flipping the 4-minute hourglass when it is empty, leading to a sequence of flips to measure 9 minutes.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of flipping the 4-minute hourglass after the 7-minute hourglass is emptied, noting that it has 1 minute remaining.
  • A later reply proposes a method that claims to measure 9 minutes without wasting time, indicating that there may be a more efficient solution.
  • Hints are provided suggesting that there exists a solution that can measure 9 minutes in one go without any wasted time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency of the proposed methods, with some suggesting that certain approaches waste time while others hint at more optimal solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to measure 9 minutes.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' claims depend on the precise timing of flips and the interpretation of efficiency, which may not be fully articulated. There are also unresolved steps in the proposed methods that could affect the outcome.

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Bob owns a couple of hourglasses -- one is a 4 minute hourglass and the other is a 7 minute hourglass. If Bob wants to measure 9 minutes, how could he do it?
 
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Alexmahone said:
Bob owns a couple of hourglasses -- one is a 4 minute hourglass and the other is a 7 minute hourglass. If Bob wants to measure 9 minutes, how could he do it?

Start then together, turn the 4 when it is emply. When the 7 is empty start timing the nine minutes, at this point the four minute glass has 1 minute to go. When empty turn it, 5 minutes have elapsed. Turn it again, and when empty 9 minutes have elapled.

CB
 
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CaptainBlack said:
Start then together, turn the 4 when it is emply.

Now there are 3 minutes remaining in the 7.

When the 7 is empty turn the 4.

When the 7 is empty there is 1 minute remaining in the 4. So why would you want to turn it?

At this point it has 1 minute to go...
 
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Alexmahone said:
Now there are 3 minutes remaining in the 7.
When the 7 is empty there is 1 minute remaining in the 4. So why would you want to turn it?

Typo, now corrected (I hope)

CB
 
CaptainBlack said:
Start then together, turn the 4 when it is emply. When the 7 is empty start timing the nine minutes, at this point the four minute glass has 1 minute to go. When empty turn it, 5 minutes have elapsed. Turn it again, and when empty 9 minutes have elapled.

CB

Okay, that works but it's a little inefficient as it wastes the first 7 minutes. There's a better solution.
 
Hint: There is a solution that wastes no time and measures 9 minutes in one go.
 
Start the two together. When the four is empty, flip it (four minutes elapsed). When the seven is empty, flip it (7 minutes). When the four is empty again flip the seven (8 minutes). Wait then the remaining minute for the seven to empty.
 
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Alexmahone said:
Hint: There is a solution that wastes no time and measures 9 minutes in one go.

yes +1
 

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