# Bolt dimensions for a bolted joint

• KavaKovala
In summary: This can lead to catastrophic failure. To prevent this, some sort of locking mechanism is generally required.
KavaKovala
Hi everyone,

I have a question about sizing a bolted joint. How to calculate the size of the screw? Knowing that the bolt material is 316 stainless steel and the thread material where the bolt will be bolted is 6061 aluminum. This screw will be pulled at 2000N.

Thanks!

Welcome to PF.

How thick is the threaded 6061 aluminium plate?
Or, what length of the 316 bolt is engaged with thread cut in the 6061 aluminium?Stainless steel 316
316-7 = 700 MPa.
316-8 = 800 MPa.

Aluminium 6061.
6061-O = 83 MPa.
6061-T4 =110 MPa.
6061-T6 = 240 MPa.

The 6061 aluminium has a significantly lower strength than the 316 stainless. It is in shear, so the thread will need to have a greater area, or the aluminium thread will be stripped from the hole. The weakest link will therefore be the thread cut into the 6061 aluminium. Using a nut and washer rather than threading the aluminium would lower cost of manufacture.

I would place a stainless steel thread insert in the aluminium. That increases the contact diameter and so area of thread contact, which will reduce aluminium damage due to galling or repeated disassembly. For thin sheet it could be a nut insert, nutsert, rivnut, etc. For deeper holes it could be a thread insert, helicoil or recoil, etc.

There will need to be some way of locking the assembly to prevent the bolt unscrewing.
There may need to be a lubricant used during assembly.

As a quick initial estimate of the minimum bolt size ...
316-8 has tensile strength of 800 N/mm².
Area required for 2000 N is = 2000 / 800 = 2.5 mm²;
Minimum inner radius = √(2.5/π) = 0.892 mm;
Minimum inner thread diameter = 1.78 mm.
That tells us, to handle the pull out tension we need at least a 2 mm diameter 316 bolt.

But the thread in the 6061 aluminium must have a greater diameter.
For 10 times lower yield in aluminium we need √10 times the diameter = 5.6 mm.
So at first guess, I would expect to use a minimum of a 6 mm bolt in a threaded insert.

The size of stainless steel bolt and type of threaded insert used will be determined by the length of engagement with the aluminium.

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Beluncor,

The bolt length could be 15mm.

I did not understand why √10 x diameter (2?)= 5.6mm. If the diameter is correct (2mm), the result should be 6,32mm or 8mm Bolt.

Baluncore said:
Minimum inner thread diameter = 1.78 mm.
I kept inner diameter of 1.78 mm * √10 because I was only estimating approximation.

Is there any reason why you might not use an M8x1.25 bolt in a long helicoil ?

Yes, I can use helicoil, I just told you the bolt length that I will intend to use.

KavaKovala said:
I just told you the bolt length that I will intend to use.
You need to know the length of thread in the aluminium engaged by the bolt.

Sorry, I expressed myself wrong, my english is not good, I would like to say that the length of thread in the aluminium engaged by the bolt is 15mm.

Having had many unpleasant experiences with stainless steel bolts in aluminum (in a marine environment), I would strongly recommend using thread inserts as Baluncore suggests, or at the least some kind of anti-corrosion agent such as Tef-Gel.

DaveE

Assuming the 6061 is annealed. 83 MPa = 83 N/mm².
2000 / 83 = 24 mm².

For aluminium; Shear Yield Stress = Tensile Yield Stress * 0.55
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shear_strength

Also, the bolt thread may be only 75% of full depth, in an over-size hole = 60%.
So that gives 24 mm² / ( 0.55 * 0.6 ) = 72 mm².
With a safety margin of 2 = 145 mm².

Area of the shear cylinder is, A = π * diam * depth.
Here is the short list …
Helicoil M4x0.7 x2D; A = 100.5 mm². Insufficient section.
Helicoil M5x0.8 x2D; A = 157.0 mm². Take care not to over-torque.
Helicoil M6x1.0 x2D; A = 226.2 mm². My low-mass choice.
Helicoil M8x1.25 x1.5D; A = 301.0 mm². A more robust solution.

Baluncore and Sandy, thank you for your help. It is very clear.

I should also point out that unlubricated stainless steel threads under high loads are subject to "galling" - essentially, instantaneous cold welding, such that the parts cannot be separated without destroying them.

## 1. What are the standard bolt dimensions for a bolted joint?

The standard bolt dimensions for a bolted joint typically depend on the size and type of the bolt being used. However, the most commonly used bolt sizes are 1/4", 5/16", 3/8", 7/16", 1/2", 5/8", 3/4", 7/8", and 1". These sizes refer to the diameter of the bolt.

## 2. How do I determine the correct bolt length for a bolted joint?

The correct bolt length for a bolted joint is usually determined by adding the thickness of the material being fastened to the grip length of the bolt. The grip length is the length of the bolt that is threaded and will be in contact with the material. It is important to use the correct bolt length to ensure proper clamping force and prevent over-tightening.

## 3. What is the difference between coarse and fine thread bolts?

Coarse thread bolts have a larger thread pitch and are used for general purpose applications, while fine thread bolts have a smaller thread pitch and are used for applications that require higher strength and clamping force. The choice between coarse and fine thread bolts depends on the specific needs of the bolted joint.

## 4. Do I need to use washers with bolts in a bolted joint?

Washers are not always necessary in a bolted joint, but they can help distribute the load and prevent damage to the surface of the material being fastened. They are especially recommended when using soft or brittle materials, or when the bolt is being used at an angle.

## 5. How tight should I tighten the bolts in a bolted joint?

The recommended torque for tightening bolts in a bolted joint depends on the size and grade of the bolt, as well as the material being fastened. It is important to follow the manufacturer's specifications for the specific bolt being used. Over-tightening can lead to damage or failure of the joint, while under-tightening can result in a loose joint and reduced clamping force.

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