Bolt dimensions for a bolted joint

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The discussion revolves around the sizing of a bolted joint involving a 316 stainless steel bolt and a 6061 aluminum threaded plate, specifically focusing on the calculations needed to determine the appropriate bolt size and considerations for material compatibility under load conditions.

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  • Participants discuss the importance of the thickness of the 6061 aluminum plate and the length of engagement of the bolt with the aluminum threads.
  • One participant suggests that the thread in the aluminum must have a greater diameter due to the lower strength of aluminum compared to stainless steel, proposing the use of a threaded insert to mitigate potential damage.
  • Another participant questions the calculation of the required bolt diameter, noting a discrepancy in the expected size based on the proposed method of using √10 times the diameter.
  • There is a suggestion to use an M8x1.25 bolt with a helicoil, with a focus on ensuring adequate engagement length in the aluminum.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for galling when using stainless steel bolts in aluminum, particularly in marine environments, recommending the use of anti-corrosion agents.
  • Calculations are presented regarding the shear yield stress of aluminum and the necessary area for the bolt thread, with various helicoil options evaluated for their suitability based on calculated areas.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate bolt size and the implications of using different materials. There is no consensus on the exact calculations or the best approach to take, indicating multiple competing views remain.

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Participants highlight various assumptions, such as the yield strength of the aluminum and the engagement length of the bolt, which may affect the calculations. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the effects of material properties and environmental conditions on the performance of the bolted joint.

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This discussion may be useful for engineers, designers, or students interested in bolted joint design, material compatibility, and the implications of load conditions on fastener selection.

KavaKovala
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Hi everyone,

I have a question about sizing a bolted joint. How to calculate the size of the screw? Knowing that the bolt material is 316 stainless steel and the thread material where the bolt will be bolted is 6061 aluminum. This screw will be pulled at 2000N.

Thanks!
 
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Welcome to PF.

How thick is the threaded 6061 aluminium plate?
Or, what length of the 316 bolt is engaged with thread cut in the 6061 aluminium?Stainless steel 316
316-7 = 700 MPa.
316-8 = 800 MPa.

Aluminium 6061.
6061-Grade = Max yield strength.
6061-O = 83 MPa.
6061-T4 =110 MPa.
6061-T6 = 240 MPa.

The 6061 aluminium has a significantly lower strength than the 316 stainless. It is in shear, so the thread will need to have a greater area, or the aluminium thread will be stripped from the hole. The weakest link will therefore be the thread cut into the 6061 aluminium. Using a nut and washer rather than threading the aluminium would lower cost of manufacture.

I would place a stainless steel thread insert in the aluminium. That increases the contact diameter and so area of thread contact, which will reduce aluminium damage due to galling or repeated disassembly. For thin sheet it could be a nut insert, nutsert, rivnut, etc. For deeper holes it could be a thread insert, helicoil or recoil, etc.

There will need to be some way of locking the assembly to prevent the bolt unscrewing.
There may need to be a lubricant used during assembly.

As a quick initial estimate of the minimum bolt size ...
316-8 has tensile strength of 800 N/mm².
Area required for 2000 N is = 2000 / 800 = 2.5 mm²;
Minimum inner radius = √(2.5/π) = 0.892 mm;
Minimum inner thread diameter = 1.78 mm.
That tells us, to handle the pull out tension we need at least a 2 mm diameter 316 bolt.

But the thread in the 6061 aluminium must have a greater diameter.
For 10 times lower yield in aluminium we need √10 times the diameter = 5.6 mm.
So at first guess, I would expect to use a minimum of a 6 mm bolt in a threaded insert.

The size of stainless steel bolt and type of threaded insert used will be determined by the length of engagement with the aluminium.
 
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Beluncor,

Thank you very much for your reply, I appreciate your help.

The bolt length could be 15mm.

I did not understand why √10 x diameter (2?)= 5.6mm. If the diameter is correct (2mm), the result should be 6,32mm or 8mm Bolt.
 
Baluncore said:
Minimum inner thread diameter = 1.78 mm.
I kept inner diameter of 1.78 mm * √10 because I was only estimating approximation.

Is there any reason why you might not use an M8x1.25 bolt in a long helicoil ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threaded_insert
 
Yes, I can use helicoil, I just told you the bolt length that I will intend to use.
 
KavaKovala said:
I just told you the bolt length that I will intend to use.
You need to know the length of thread in the aluminium engaged by the bolt.
 
Sorry, I expressed myself wrong, my english is not good, I would like to say that the length of thread in the aluminium engaged by the bolt is 15mm.
 
Having had many unpleasant experiences with stainless steel bolts in aluminum (in a marine environment), I would strongly recommend using thread inserts as Baluncore suggests, or at the least some kind of anti-corrosion agent such as Tef-Gel.
 
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Your English is good.

Assuming the 6061 is annealed. 83 MPa = 83 N/mm².
2000 / 83 = 24 mm².

For aluminium; Shear Yield Stress = Tensile Yield Stress * 0.55
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shear_strength

Also, the bolt thread may be only 75% of full depth, in an over-size hole = 60%.
So that gives 24 mm² / ( 0.55 * 0.6 ) = 72 mm².
With a safety margin of 2 = 145 mm².

Area of the shear cylinder is, A = π * diam * depth.
Here is the short list …
Helicoil M4x0.7 x2D; A = 100.5 mm². Insufficient section.
Helicoil M5x0.8 x2D; A = 157.0 mm². Take care not to over-torque.
Helicoil M6x1.0 x2D; A = 226.2 mm². My low-mass choice.
Helicoil M8x1.25 x1.5D; A = 301.0 mm². A more robust solution.
 
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Baluncore and Sandy, thank you for your help. It is very clear.
 
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I should also point out that unlubricated stainless steel threads under high loads are subject to "galling" - essentially, instantaneous cold welding, such that the parts cannot be separated without destroying them.
 

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