Bosonic operator eigenvalues in second quantization

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The discussion focuses on proving the eigenvalue relation for bosonic operators in second quantization. The user aims to demonstrate that repeatedly applying the operator ##\hat{b}_j## results in the expression (|B_-^j|^2-n_j)##\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j ... \mid \Psi \rangle. Initial attempts successfully prove the case for n=1 and n=2, but the user struggles with deriving the correct eigenvalue for n=2. They note that the application of the operator must be from the left, suggesting a need to adjust their approach to the commutation relations. The conversation highlights the complexities of manipulating bosonic operators in quantum mechanics.
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Homework Statement


Following from \hat{b}^\dagger_j\hat{b}_j(\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br /> )=(|B_-^j|^2-1)\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br />, I want to prove that if I keep applying ##\hat{b}_j##, ## n_j##times, I'll get: (|B_-^j|^2-n_j)\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j ...<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br />.

Homework Equations


Commutation relations: [\hat{b}^\dagger_j\hat{b}_j,\hat{b}_j]=-\hat{b}_j
Also: <br /> \langle \psi \mid<br /> \hat{b}^\dagger_j\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br /> =||\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br /> ||^2

The Attempt at a Solution


After proving for n=1, I went for n=2 and from there on the proof would be trivial. However, for n=2 I get:
\hat{b}^\dagger_j\hat{b}_j(\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br /> )=(|B_-^j|^2-1)\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br /> after using the commutation relation I referred above (the same for n>2). How do I get (|B_-^j|^2-2)\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br />?
 
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RicardoMP said:

Homework Statement


Following from \hat{b}^\dagger_j\hat{b}_j(\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br /> )=(|B_-^j|^2-1)\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br />, I want to prove that if I keep applying ##\hat{b}_j##, ## n_j##times, I'll get: (|B_-^j|^2-n_j)\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j ...<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br />.

Homework Equations


Commutation relations: [\hat{b}^\dagger_j\hat{b}_j,\hat{b}_j]=-\hat{b}_j
Also: <br /> \langle \psi \mid<br /> \hat{b}^\dagger_j\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br /> =||\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br /> ||^2

The Attempt at a Solution


After proving for n=1, I went for n=2 and from there on the proof would be trivial. However, for n=2 I get:
\hat{b}^\dagger_j\hat{b}_j(\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br /> )=(|B_-^j|^2-1)\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br /> after using the commutation relation I referred above (the same for n>2). How do I get (|B_-^j|^2-2)\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br />?
If the question is really that you must keep applying ##\hat{b}_j##, then it means that it must be applied from the left. For n=2 you should be doing
\hat{b}_j \hat{b}^\dagger_j(\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j<br /> \mid \Psi \rangle<br /> )
 

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