Boundary of an open set in R2 is a limit point?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of whether all points on the boundary of a connected open set in ℝ² are limit points of that set. Participants explore this concept within the framework of point set topology, considering implications in both Euclidean and more general topological spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if all boundary points of a connected open set in ℝ² are limit points, suggesting a homeomorphic relationship to an open disk as a basis for their intuition.
  • Another participant provides a proof that if p is a boundary point of a connected open set U, then p must be a limit point of U, citing the definition of boundary points and connectedness.
  • A later reply acknowledges that the initial proof approach may not hold since open sets do not contain their boundary points, suggesting that the boundary point condition implies non-trivial intersection with U excluding p.
  • Some participants note that the reasoning might extend beyond Euclidean spaces to Hausdorff connected spaces, raising questions about the applicability of the concepts discussed.
  • There is an acknowledgment of a potential misunderstanding regarding the nature of the set being discussed, with one participant speculating that the original poster might have intended to refer to a different class of subsets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the proof regarding boundary points being limit points, with some supporting the initial claim and others pointing out flaws in the reasoning. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the proof related to the properties of open sets and boundary points, as well as assumptions about connectedness that may not hold in all contexts.

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I have kind of a simple point set topology question. If I am in ℝ2 and I have a connected open set, call it O, then is it true that all points on the boundary ∂O are limit points of O? I guess I'm stuck envisioning as O as, at least homeomorphic, to an open disk of radius epsilon. So it seems obvious that any points on the boundary would be limit points. But is that true in general?
 
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Let U\subseteq \mathbb{R}^{n} be connected and open and non empty. p\in \partial U if and only if every neighborhood of p contains both a point in U (and in \mathbb{R}^{n}\setminus U but we don't care about that here). Let p\in \partial U and assume there exists a neighborhood V of p in \mathbb{R}^{n} such that V\cap U = \left \{ p \right \} (we know of course that U\supset \left \{ p \right \}). This implies \left \{ p \right \} is a non - empty proper clopen subset of U which is a contradiction because U is connected. Thus, p is a limit point of U.
 
thank you very much!
 
dumbQuestion said:
thank you very much!
Should work for any Hausdorff connected space and not just euclidean space as far as I can see. Was there a particular reason for this question or did it just pop into your head for fun or something= D? Cheers!
 
WannabeNewton said:
Let U\subseteq \mathbb{R}^{n} be connected and open and non empty. p\in \partial U if and only if every neighborhood of p contains both a point in U (and in \mathbb{R}^{n}\setminus U but we don't care about that here). Let p\in \partial U and assume there exists a neighborhood V of p in \mathbb{R}^{n} such that V\cap U = \left \{ p \right \} (we know of course that U\supset \left \{ p \right \}). This implies \left \{ p \right \} is a non - empty proper clopen subset of U which is a contradiction because U is connected. Thus, p is a limit point of U.

Unfortunately this does not work since open sets will not contain their boundary points. Luckily that observation gives us a way to fix the proof. All we now have to note is that the boundary point condition implies that every nbhd of p non-trivially intersects U - {p} = U.
 
jgens said:
Unfortunately this does not work since open sets will not contain their boundary points.
Totally missed that detail haha. Maybe the OP didn't mean to say open but another class of subsets because he was trying to use connectedness explicitly. Anyways, I got to go to class now so cheers!
 

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