Bra and Ket Representation in Dual Hilbert Space

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of bra and ket vectors in the context of Hilbert spaces and dual Hilbert spaces. Participants explore the mathematical distinctions between kets and bras, their representations, and the implications of these differences in quantum mechanics and linear algebra.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that if a ket is represented as 2+3i, then its corresponding bra is 2-3i, questioning the necessity of a dual Hilbert space for the bra representation.
  • Another participant argues that kets and bras are fundamentally different, likening the relationship to ordinary vectors and pseudovectors, suggesting that they cannot be added together.
  • A third participant clarifies that kets are elements of a vector space while bras are linear functions defined on those kets, indicating that they are isomorphic but not the same, with a reference to the Riesz-Fischer Theorem.
  • One participant provides an example using spin-1/2 states, explaining that kets can be represented as column matrices and bras as row matrices, emphasizing the incompatibility of adding these two types of representations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between kets and bras, with some emphasizing their distinct roles and others questioning the need for a dual Hilbert space. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of dual spaces in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the nature of kets and bras, as well as the implications of the Riesz-Fischer Theorem and the specific examples provided. The definitions and contexts of Hilbert spaces and dual spaces are not fully explored.

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Hi, if ket is 2+3i , than its bra is 2-3i , my question is 2+3i is in Hilbert space than 2-3i can be represented in same hilbert space, but in books it is written we need dual Hilbert space for bra?
 
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hi wasi-uz-zaman! :smile:
wasi-uz-zaman said:
Hi, if ket is 2+3i , than its bra is 2-3i , my question is 2+3i is in Hilbert space than 2-3i can be represented in same hilbert space, but in books it is written we need dual Hilbert space for bra?

it's not the same, it's back-to-front!

you can't add a ket to a bra

it's like ordinary 3D vectors and pseudovectors (a 3D pseudovector is a cross product of two 3D vectors)

you can't add a vector to a pseudovector …

they look as if they exist in the same space, but in fact the two spaces are back-to-front :wink:
 
Kets are elements of a vector space, bras are linear functions defined on the kets - entirely different things.

They are, with a few caveats such as Rigged Hilbert Spaces, isomorphic via the Rietz-Fisher Theorem - but that doesn't mean they are the same.

Thanks
Bill
 
The easiest Hilbert space to deal with (or maybe the second easiest) is that of spin-1/2 states. Then the states are (or can be represented as) column matrices with 2 elements. The dual states are the row matrices with 2 elements. Obviously it doesn't make any sense to add a row and a column.
 

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