Bra Ket Question: Outer Product Complex Conjugate

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the outer product and its complex conjugate in the context of quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the notation and definitions related to bra-ket notation.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the complex conjugate and the adjoint of the outer product, questioning the interchangeability of the states involved. There is a discussion about the implications of treating the outer product as a matrix and the definitions of complex conjugation versus adjoint.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the definitions involved. Some participants express confusion about the terms used, while others attempt to clarify the distinctions between complex conjugation and the adjoint operation.

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There is an indication that the understanding of the terms "complex conjugate" and "adjoint" may vary among participants, leading to potential misunderstandings. The distinction between scalars and operators is also highlighted as a point of confusion.

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Is the complex conjugate to the outer product this? :

( |a> <b| ) * = ( |b> <a| )

?
 
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If you think of it as a matrix that's like saying A_ij*=Aji. Looks like an Hermitian conjugate to me.
 
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The cc does not interchange a and b.
 
so

(<a|b>) * = (<b|a>)

but not

( |a> <b| ) * = ( |b> <a| )

?
 
malawi_glenn said:
so

(<a|b>) * = (<b|a>)

but not

( |a> <b| ) * = ( |b> <a| )

?

First, note that <a|b> is a complex number, while |a><b| is a linear operator on a vector space.

The answer to your question depends on what you mean by *. What do you mean by *?

If you mean complex conjugation, then I don't know how to take (in a basis-independent way) the complex conjugate of a linear operator.

If you mean adjoint, then (after changing * to [itex]{}^\dagger[/itex])

[tex]\left< a | b \right>^\dagger = \left< b | a \right>[/tex]

[tex]\left( \left| a \right> \left< b \right| \right)^\dagger = \left| b \right> \left< a \right|.[/tex]

You should verify this from the definition of adjoint.
 
hmm yeah i must have confused those two things.. thanks for all help =)
 

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