Braking spacecraft in a snow-filled tank?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of using a snow-filled tank as a braking medium for hard-landing payloads on the Moon. The proposed method suggests that using loose snow at a density of 40 kg/m3 can reduce braking pressures to approximately 12 MPa, significantly lower than the pressures generated by water or regolith. Key concerns include the accuracy of penetration models for low-density snow impacts, the need for guidance systems to prevent payload veering, and the challenges in producing low-density snow suitable for this application. The conversation highlights the necessity of further research into penetration equations and guidance mechanisms for high-speed impacts.

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  • Understanding of impact dynamics and penetration models
  • Familiarity with materials science, specifically properties of snow and regolith
  • Knowledge of aerospace engineering principles related to payload landing
  • Experience with computational modeling software for impact simulations
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  • Research penetration modeling software applicable to low-density materials
  • Investigate methods for producing low-density snow suitable for aerospace applications
  • Explore guidance systems for stabilizing payloads during high-speed impacts
  • Study the effects of different braking mediums on impact dynamics
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Aerospace engineers, materials scientists, and researchers focused on lunar landing technologies and impact dynamics will benefit from this discussion.

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Reading recently a Russian MOD aerospace journal, i stumbled upon (pretty unrealistic) scheme to hard-land payloads (metal ingots) on moon.
It involve catching 1.7 km/s slugs with the pipe filled by regolith or water, and even more hardcore option of digging up the payloads embedded in the Moon```'s natural regolith layers.
Well, the approach and materials have severe problems.
1) Braking pressures are too high (~0.3 GPa for water, and ~0.4 GPa for fine regolith) - therefore for most payloads soft-landing is more mass-effective option even assuming the payload is surviving.
2) Regolith is too good heat insulator, resulting in large cycle time and may be even regolith sintering/fusing to payload
3) Water is poorly compressible, producing a large pressure spike (water hammer effect)

After thinking a bit, seems "payload trap" filling with loose (40 kg/m3) snow may be much better.
a) The braking pressure is much lower at ~12 MPa
b) The over-pressure pulse is partially dissipated by breaking and melting snowflakes, transmitting less energy on "payload trap" walls.

Severe doubts are remaining. Could anybody help with the items below?
1) Penetration model is very far extrapolation (from the high density bullets striking sand bags to large low-density containers striking snow at double velocity). Is any relevant software/equation for estimating pressures in such impact scenario? I suspect 12 MPa braking pressure for 40 kg/m3 snow at 1.7km/s is not an accurate estimation.
2) Payload container veering off course and colliding with trap wall may be a problem. I can imagine fin-stabilized container self-guiding in core of denser snow supported by less dense snow envelope, but would it be sufficient? Any thoughts about path stabilization at such violent braking?
3) Is it plausible to make low-density snow similar to natural one? Typical snow-making machines which are designed for high throughput produce snow about 450 kg/m3, which is likely too dense for purpose. Ice block grinding method produce snow of ~250 kg/m3. Are any methods for lower-density snow?
4) Is the input shutter to prevent large loss of braking medium (snow?) necessary? Any design alternative to shutter? Need to prevent somehow braking medium from being ejected from input aperture each time a container is received.
5) Likely still need about 1-3% of container to be hydrazine for deorbit from storage orbit and fine guidance. Any chance to develop a fully inert container still hitting a small (few meters at most) aperture?
 

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How did you calculate the stopping distance (or, closely linked, the acceleration)?
 
mfb said:
How did you calculate the stopping distance (or, closely linked, the acceleration)?
Yes. It was not in the summary sheet because it was an array depending on transfer orbit.
Roughly 235 calibers (for 3 g/cm3 spherical containers) for low orbits.
 
Where does that number come from?

Having an unguided bullet approach a base at orbital speeds with an error margin of a few centimeters doesn't sound very safe, by the way.
 
mfb said:
Where does that number come from?

Having an unguided bullet approach a base at orbital speeds with an error margin of a few centimeters doesn't sound very safe, by the way.
I use for penetration estimation equation
PenetrationCalibers=2*(2800/DensityOfBrakeMedium)*(DensityOfContainer/9000)*(Speed/750)^2

Regarding guidance margin, i also think the container must be guided. Even in that case, with current technologies margins may be meters.
 
That formula can't work well for high speeds. I would expect 1.7 km/s to be high in that context. It is also weird that it uses the width not the length of the projectile.
 
mfb said:
That formula can't work well for high speeds. I would expect 1.7 km/s to be high in that context. It is also weird that it uses the width not the length of the projectile.
The measurement of penetration in projectile widths is common in ballistics. Anyway, for this particular calculation the projectile (container) is spherical therefore width and length are the same.
Apart from generic doubts on accuracy (which i also have) do you have better penetration equations?
 
I don't have better equations. 1.7 km/s is too fast to use formulas for typical guns but too slow for high velocity approximations (e.g. what matters for most impacts on the ISS).
 

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