Brightness of ISS in Earth's shadow

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Count Iblis
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Brightness Iss Shadow
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the brightness of the International Space Station (ISS) when it is in Earth's shadow, particularly focusing on observations made during a specific event. Participants explore the factors influencing the perceived brightness of the ISS, including its position relative to the horizon and the sources of light it reflects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant observed the ISS entering Earth's shadow and noted a gradual decline in brightness, estimating it to be around magnitude 8 while in the shadow.
  • Another participant suggested that the ISS could be as bright as magnitude -4.4 when illuminated by the Sun, estimating its brightness in shadow to be between -3 and -5, but acknowledged this as a rough guess.
  • A participant clarified that the ISS is not a light source but reflects light, and its apparent magnitude changes based on the illuminated surface of the Earth it can see.
  • It was noted that the brightness of the ISS decreases as it approaches the horizon due to increased atmospheric thickness and distance from the observer.
  • Discussion included potential sources of illumination for the ISS, such as Earth lights and cabin lights from the ISS, with a participant mentioning the current new moon phase as a factor in the absence of additional light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the brightness of the ISS in shadow, with no consensus reached on specific magnitude values or the primary sources of illumination. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact brightness levels and contributing factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the geometry involved when observing the ISS at different elevations, which may affect perceived brightness. There are also assumptions about the conditions under which the observations were made, such as the phase of the moon and atmospheric effects.

Count Iblis
Messages
1,859
Reaction score
8
I observed the ISS when it was almost overhead and well inside Earth's shadow with binoculars. The brightness was perhaps magnitude 8 or so, I'm not sure. I observed the ISS enter the Earth's shadow when it was at 60 degrees over the horizon, the brightness declined rapidly as it entered the half shadow. But it remained visible as it passed overhead and moved toward the horizon in the East. The brightness gradually declined until I couldn't see it anymore; it didn't seem that there was ever an abrupt change in brightness after it had entered the shadow.


So, how bright is the ISS when it is overhead in the Earth's shadow?
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
I think you lost a minus sign. Venus can be as bright as -4.4. From my observations the ISS is at least that bright. I would guess that it is somewhere between -3 and -5, but that is just a SWAG.
 
Integral said:
I think you lost a minus sign. Venus can be as bright as -4.4. From my observations the ISS is at least that bright. I would guess that it is somewhere between -3 and -5, but that is just a SWAG.

Yes, but that's when the Sun is shining on the ISS. Then it can be very bright. In this case it was a little less bight (about magnitude -2.5 I think) because it entered the shadow at 60 degrees.

But when the ISS is in the shadow, then it cannot be seen with the naked eye. I still saw it with bnoculars and would estimate the brightness to be plus 8, so very dim but still visible. The brightness then furhter declined as the ISS was moving toward the horizon until I couldn't see it anymore.
 
Oh, my bad! I now understand what you are saying. Since the ISS is not a source of light it must be reflecting light from somewhere. I would guess the amount of light it receives depends on the portion of the lit surface of the Earth it sees. So its apparent magnitude will change as it orbits the earth.

Of course as its magnitude will decrease as it approaches the horizon since you are observing it though a increasing thickness of atmosphere.
 
You are also observing it through an increased distance. At 30 degrees elevation, it is about twice as far away as when it is directly overhead (lower than that and the geometry gets harder because you have to take into account the curvature of the earth).

As for the source of the illumination, I can think of only two possibilities: lights from Earth and cabin lights in the ISS. I would have no idea the strength of either. Right now, the moon is new, so it wouldn't have been contributing.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 56 ·
2
Replies
56
Views
7K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
5K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
5K
  • Poll Poll
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K