British prince on the front line- agreed media silence.

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The discussion centers around the media silence regarding Prince Harry's deployment in Afghanistan, particularly the implications of such an agreement between the media and the Ministry of Defence (MoD). Participants explore the ethical considerations of media cooperation during military operations, the risks associated with Prince Harry's status as a high-profile soldier, and the broader implications for media freedom and public knowledge.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern about the power dynamics involved in the media's agreement to silence reporting on Prince Harry, questioning who decides what information is shared with the public.
  • Others argue that the media's cooperation was voluntary and motivated by potential future profits from exclusive interviews and stories.
  • Several participants highlight the security risks posed by Prince Harry's presence in Afghanistan, noting that he could be a high-value target for the Taliban, which could endanger his unit.
  • There are mixed feelings about the implications of Prince Harry's military service, with some admiring his commitment while others criticize the risks posed to fellow soldiers due to his celebrity status.
  • Some participants speculate on the potential consequences of the media's silence, suggesting that it could set a precedent for future agreements that limit public access to information.
  • Concerns are raised about the fairness of placing any soldier at risk due to the attention drawn by a celebrity, with some questioning the rationale behind prioritizing Prince Harry's safety over that of other soldiers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the appropriateness of the media silence or the implications of Prince Harry's deployment. Some agree on the necessity of the silence for security reasons, while others challenge the ethics of such agreements.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of a clear resolution regarding the ethical implications of media cooperation with government entities during military operations, as well as the potential for future agreements that could limit public knowledge.

  • #31
cristo said:
But Harry isn't a political leader, and he probably never will be. Even if he were, comparing him to your president is not a fair comparison. The monarch of England is, nowadays, merely a symbolic position. I mean yes, there is the opportunity to veto laws passed by parliament, but that will never happen, since that would be vetoing the democratic decisions made by the country. Now, I'm not saying that the monarchy is useless-- far from it, since it brings in a LOT of money to the country-- but the person running the country is without doubt the prime minister.

Well the last time a monarch tried to veto an act of parliament was in 1707 by Queen Anne, and that was passed anyway. So their powers are merely formal. And parliament has the right to remove any formal powers anyway.

That said I'm not cynical enough to believe this was a PR stunt, he wanted to serve. And to be frank putting yourself as the leader of a tank unit, that goes into enemy territory and calls down air support on enemy targets is not the best method of keeping yourself safe, nor is it a plea to say look at me aren't I x. I'm by no means a royalist but this is what it is IMO.

Greg Bernhardt said:
You can guarantee there were secret squads near by him to help if he were in real danger. Heck he prolly had secret undercover bodyguards he thought were locals.

To be honest as said no one recognised him in the field, and of course but he was still in danger. I say give the guy a break and as a cynic about the royal family, that is unusual coming from me.
 
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  • #32
cristo said:
But Harry isn't a political leader, and he probably never will be. Even if he were, comparing him to your president is not a fair comparison. The monarch of England is, nowadays, merely a symbolic position. I mean yes, there is the opportunity to veto laws passed by parliament, but that will never happen, since that would be vetoing the democratic decisions made by the country. Now, I'm not saying that the monarchy is useless-- far from it, since it brings in a LOT of money to the country-- but the person running the country is without doubt the prime minister.
True, the royal family is not involved as political leaders or in the operation of the government as is the PM or MP's, they Harry and others are in a better position to affect policy if they so choose.

I'd hate to imagine what would happen if a member of the royal family got taken hostage, and it's just stupid to put one of our royal family in that position.
It's stupid to put anyone in the position of being killed or kidnapped, but that is what GW Bush and Tony Blair did with the troops. They certainly didn't put themselves in any danger, as is the case with most modern political leaders.

Of course, one could argue that Harry most probably was not in any danger. I doubt the security services would let him be in any real danger, and I'm sure they were watching over him!
Maybe. I certainly don't know how much danger or how close to danger he really was.
 
  • #33
matthyaouw said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7269743.stm
My emphasis.

This worries me. While I understand the potential security risk of letting the enemy know the whereabouts of the prince, I question the practice of an agreed media silence. Should the MoD, royal family or government have the power to stop the media reporting an important story? Not so much with regard to this circumstance, but in general. Who gets to decide what we find out and what we don't? I don't want to see the day when bad news is simply buried and denied.

What are people's thoughts?

How was this an important story? If something had happened to Harry, this would be a big story, but not an important story. This wasn't a story that really affected the public good. Breaking the story would be somewhat irresponsible. It probably wouldn't endanger anyone since Harry would be yanked out of his unit as soon as the story broke. The news organization breaking the story runs the risk of becoming more of a story than Harry.

Somewhat - I'd be surprised if the Drudge Report gets trashed by other news organizations too much since they're probably happy to have the chance to put out whatever stories they gained by keeping his deployment secret. I think most are just glad that it some other news organizations besides them that let the cat out of the bag.

You've seen the same thing from the US media. You almost never hear about Congressmens' sons fighting in the war and the media never reports on their location or their unit. During the Afghanistan invasion, you didn't even see the last names of the average serviceman fighting there. Considering the fear of terrorism right after 9/11, it seemed reckless to provide information someone could use to track back to the serviceman's family.

During the initial invasion, the embedded reporters did a very good job of handling sensitive information while still giving the public a good feel for how the invasion was going. I thought David Bloom's reports were great.

The news media can act responsibly when they see the need to do so.
 
  • #34
Astronuc said:
...It's stupid to put anyone in the position of being killed or kidnapped, but that is what GW Bush and Tony Blair did with the troops.
I'm not sure what this means. To send anyone, anytime into combat is stupid?
 

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