Brunei's Response to the 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake and Tsunami Disaster

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami disaster, focusing on the immediate impacts, personal experiences, and geographical considerations. Participants share their concerns for safety, express sadness over the loss of life, and discuss the broader implications of the disaster, including potential causes and effects.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express relief that they are safe, while others share personal stories of loss and concern for friends affected by the disaster.
  • There are varying estimates of the death toll, with some participants suggesting numbers as low as 1,000 and others predicting up to 10,000 or more.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of coastal populations and the implications of living near the ocean, with one participant noting the tragic loss of children who played near the beach.
  • Participants discuss the geographical positioning of Bangladesh in relation to India, with some confusion about its coastal status and the impact of the earthquake on the region.
  • Questions are posed regarding the relationship between the earthquake and the Ring of Fire, with some participants noting recent seismic activity.
  • There is speculation about the causes of the earthquake, including a query about the potential for underwater nuclear detonations to cause tsunamis.
  • Some participants express emotional responses to images and reports from the disaster, highlighting the human impact of the tragedy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the severity of the disaster and express concern for those affected, but there are multiple competing views regarding the death toll, geographical details, and the causes of the earthquake. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the specifics of the earthquake's impact on different regions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the accuracy of death toll estimates, geographical misunderstandings, and the speculative nature of some claims about the causes of the earthquake.

  • #91
recon said:
We're all OK in Brunei, even though we were as near to the epicentre as Sri Lanka/India was.

Things are moving at a very slow pace in Brunei right now. The only public fund-raising group is the Scout's Association, and we can't make any donations until the 1st of January. It strikes me as pretty odd that people on PF seem to care more than Bruneians. .
It strikes me odd that that strikes you odd. We care about everyone.
I think that headline in the Brunei paper is disgusting. To profit from tragedy is wrong. I'm at a loss for words and that doesn't happen to me very often. If a headline came out in an American newspaper about the benefits of a disaster reducing competition people would be outraged. I would be outraged. I am outraged, doesn't human life mean anything to your country?
 
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  • #92
No, that's why they maurade around the world killing millions of people for the personal profit of a few old grey guys... Brunei!
 
  • #93
Funny, I just realized Brunei is the word in Ewe for "White-Man"
 
  • #94
tribdog said:
It strikes me odd that that strikes you odd. We care about everyone.

I know that.

It just makes me sad that the people on PF, most of whom live so far away, care more than the people in Brunei, who reside a mere stone's throw away from the disaster-stricken areas.
 
  • #95
Don't pick on recon. She's our pal. :smile:
 
  • #96
Not only that, she's our NIECE - AND the niece of The SISTEHOOD! :wink: :approve: :biggrin:
 
  • #97
sorry that i didn't post anything for these few days, but I have just been going around the city seeing if my friends are okay.. but it seems as if the death toll is rising every hour..
 
  • #98
Astronuc said:
Most Recent Natural Disasters Were Not the Century's Worst, USGS Says
There is no telling how high the death toll from this disaster will be. For example, the death toll from the 1931 Yangtze river flood was over a two month period and the majority of deaths were a result of disease and starvation. There was very little help for the people in that area, otherwise the death toll could have been much lower.

The death toll has just begun as a result of this disaster, it's only been a few days, hopefully with world wide collaboration the amount of deaths as a result of disease and starvation can be kept to a minimum. The days when a natural disaster has a death toll in the millions, I would hope, is a thing of the past.

What is devastating here is the number of people killed within hours.
 
  • #99
With the surge in world population and the trend for many to live, work or recreate at the seashore, I am afraid we will see more events like this weekend.

Also, don't forget, at one time or another, much of the present day land in the world was underwater.

Even near Mt. Everest, one can find fossils of underwater creatures.

Also, I remember reading a book on geology, and in it was a sequence of maps that indicated most of North America had been underwater at some point in history.

I am concerned that we might be entering a more seismically active period.

I hope that steps will be taken to improve detection, warning and communication systems.

Right now, a friend and family are trying to locate missing relative. The phone lines to the mainland (Thailand) are out - so we wait.
 
  • #100
The US Navy is moving the Abe Lincoln Carrier Group and another expeditionary group into position near Indonesia. Besides the P3C Orions, Seahawks and other aerial search and rescue craft, the fresh-water producing capability aboard these ships will be a huge boon.
 
  • #101
How long will they stay after they assist in the relief?
 
  • #102
How long will they stay after they assist in the relief?

At this point, given the scope, it is impossible to know. Relief effort will last several months. Various UN agencies will probably be involved all of the upcoming year, and beyond.

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  • #103
Smurf said:
No, that's why they maurade around the world killing millions of people for the personal profit of a few old grey guys... Brunei!
who's killing millions of people?
 
  • #104
The brunei's are.
(translation: White man (really tribdog, go to the political subforum once in a while))
 
  • #105
klusener said:
How long will they stay after they assist in the relief?

Last night the discussion on PBS was about being there for years, not weeks or days. Of course this applies mainly to the areas hit the hardest, like Sri Lanka.
 
  • #106
The official death toll is over 125,000, with the current speculation, which has been seriously underestimating the numbers all along, being a final count reaching 400,000 dead. Then we have the post disaster toll, with over 5 million people in immediate jeapordy... I saw some footage of the tsunami taken from an island near the epicenter of the quake. The rate of flow, and the depth of the water was amazing. It was absolutely terrifying to watch. Some places were said hit with a 60 foot wall of water many miles in length.
 
  • #107
I wonder what the debunking experts will make of this:

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index624.htm
 
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  • #108
I'm no expert, but I feel safe in saying that no meteorite caused a 9.0 magnitude earthquake in this case.
 
  • #109
Incidentally, the author of that article has also written a book called "Blood Red: Human connections to 'God' through iron in blood"

EDIT: I'm genuinely concerned. Is the following true?

In my book Blood Red: Human connections to 'God' through iron in blood I had detailed the importance of the iron in all living animals blood as being the essential component in receiving both higher and lower frequency warnings from not only natural catastrophes but also those of extraterrestrial origin. I further explain how Western peoples are becoming more iron deficient with their mass produced foods, leading to greater obesity epidemics in their countries, and the promotion to their children’s minds of vegetarian diets through mass indoctrination by their educational institutions.

Western peoples are totally without factual knowledge of their body’s inner workings and the associations between iron, blood, hormones, magnetic and the electro-chemical reactions needing to occur within them for the successful reaching of their total inner potentials. Click here for more.
 
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  • #110
recon said:
Incidentally, the author of that article has also written a book called "Blood Red: Human connections to 'God' through iron in blood"

EDIT: I'm genuinely concerned. Is the following true?
NO!

This person is a flake!
 
  • #111
recon said:
Incidentally, the author of that article has also written a book called "Blood Red: Human connections to 'God' through iron in blood"

EDIT: I'm genuinely concerned. Is the following true?
yes it is all true. westerners have no factual knowledge about their bodies. and the iron in my blood is like a danger compass and my penis is just a little bit over 11 inches long and I can wiggle it like an elephant trunk.

If you are genuinely concerned about that article you should be eeven more concerned about that Alzheimer's you've suddenly become afflicted with
 
  • #112
I guess I must learn to use more smilies from this day forth. :wink: Posts without smilies often fail to get the point across. :blushing:
 
  • #113
LOL, I was genuinely concerned you had lost your mind
I get away without the smilies, because they are implied by virtue of I'm full of crap. You need to always use them.
 
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  • #114
recon said:
I guess I must learn to use more smilies from this day forth. :wink: Posts without smilies often fail to get the point across. :blushing:
Oh thank goodness! :smile: :smile:

I was afraid something terrible had happened to you! I was thinking "this isn't the recon I know". What's going on? PHEW! What a relief!

Don't post things like that without smilies anymore!
 
  • #115
recon, those articles are funny, frightening because they're real, but funny!
 
  • #116
recon said:
I wonder what the debunking experts will make of this:

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index624.htm
:smile:

Not when it states - "Australian researcher Professor Ted Bryant had previously warned about just such an event happening in his book, Tsunami - The Underrated Hazard. He also ‘backed up his dire warning’ with a time and a date: 8pm on February 22, 1491, . . ." :smile:

That was a long time ago, and before Australia was discovered by Europeans. :smile:

I guess it was just a typo - this guy better find the right date.

If this had been caused by a meteorite, it should have been big enough to see in daylight.

And besides the simulations and the tsunami impacts indicate it was an earthquake along a length of fault line. There was very little wave energy going north and south - but rather it went east-west - somewhat assymetrically, which would tend to disprove a meteoric impact.
 
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  • #117
lol, i don't know whether to laugh or not, but in both cases, don't send any clothes to chennai, all the locals here just throw away the clothes, they are all laying on the streets like trash, here the people say that they don't want to wear western clothes, so they just throw them away.. one part of my mind says foolish, the other says stubborn patriots...
 
  • #118
klusener said:
lol, i don't know whether to laugh or not, but in both cases, don't send any clothes to chennai, all the locals here just throw away the clothes, they are all laying on the streets like trash, here the people say that they don't want to wear western clothes, so they just throw them away.. one part of my mind says foolish, the other says stubborn patriots...
Ask the people
Ever heard of a gift horse?
How about who can't be choosers?
 
  • #119
klusener said:
lol, i don't know whether to laugh or not, but in both cases, don't send any clothes to chennai, all the locals here just throw away the clothes, they are all laying on the streets like trash, here the people say that they don't want to wear western clothes, so they just throw them away.. one part of my mind says foolish, the other says stubborn patriots...
This kind of stuff should be in the News more often. Good for them.
 
  • #120
Smurf said:
This kind of stuff should be in the News more often. Good for them.
I disagree, it is a slap in the face to the kind hearted people that cared enough to donate those clothes. I doubt anyone that donated clothing when they heard how desperately they needed clothing there stopped to wonder if the "style" of the clothing would matter.
 

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