Budding SciFi Author with many questions

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The discussion revolves around various speculative questions related to science fiction concepts, particularly focusing on themes of space exploration, energy sources, paraterraforming, and advanced technology. Participants explore ideas about harvesting resources from nebulae, the feasibility of using hydrogen and plasma as fuels, and the implications of creating domed environments on other planets.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that harvesting nebulae for hydrogen is theoretically possible, though it would require significant effort due to the low density of nebulae.
  • Hydrogen can be used as an effective fuel only in the presence of oxygen or in fusion reactions, according to some contributions.
  • Plasma is described as a state of matter, with most plasmas being ionized hydrogen, raising questions about its effectiveness as fuel.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of paraterraforming, suggesting that it may be more feasible to create domed environments on Earth rather than distant planets, given current conditions.
  • Participants discuss the potential atmospheric composition resulting from the use of hydrogen and plasma, noting that burning hydrogen would produce water, while fusing it would likely result in loss of gases to space.
  • There is debate over the superiority of walking vehicles versus wheeled vehicles, with no clear consensus on their advantages in different environments.
  • Hover technology is discussed, with some participants expressing skepticism about its feasibility while acknowledging ongoing theoretical research that could change perspectives.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the use of hydrogen in rocket engines, with distinctions drawn between its role as a fuel versus a reaction mass.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the possibility of anti-gravity technology, suggesting that while it seems impossible now, future theoretical advancements could change that view.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion features multiple competing views and remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the feasibility of various technologies and the practicality of paraterraforming. Participants express differing opinions on the definitions and roles of fuels and reaction masses.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the speculative nature of the questions posed, the dependence on theoretical physics concepts, and the lack of consensus on the definitions and implications of terms like "fuel" and "anti-gravity."

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Hello, I am a student currently finishing my compulsory education in school and I have always been interested in science and literature, and so the next obvious step would be a love of SciFi.

I often find myself getting ideas for novels that will never come to fruition, but I know have one idea that I’m willing to work at, and for this project I have a few questions that need answering so I decided why not ask the experts.

I am not very educated and all I am really looking for is a yes or no answer followed by a simple explanation of how it works/why it doesn't.

So here are my questions:

  • Could we harvest nebulae for the plasma and hydrogen they are composed of?
  • Can hydrogen be used as an effective fuel?
  • Can plasma be used as an effective fuel?
  • For paraterraforming (creating domed environments on an inhabitable planet) to happen, would that mean extracting resources from our own planet i.e. soil, oxygen, therefore leaving the planet with less of this and therefore in danger? Is it possible to get the necessary components from elsewhere?
  • If the aforementioned fuels were used (hydrogen/plasma) and were released out of the domed environments into the planets own atmosphere what composition would the atmosphere take? i.e.. What would the main gases be, would there be ash covering the ground etc.
  • Are walking vehicles i.e. Star Wars At-Ats, superior to wheeled vehicles in any way/situation/environment?
  • And finally, is hover technology possible i.e. Star Wars floating tank idea (See Episode I)

If this isn't the right place to ask these then I do not mind and if you want me to explain more about what I am asking then just tell me.
 
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In terms of paraterraforming, I would think this would have to be set in the far distant future. Unless the population gets so high that there literally isn't enough room for everyone, it seems a little impractical. On Earth we already have tons of land, a decent atmosphere, and close to the right temperature, and it's all close by. If conditions ever got so bad on Earth that we couldn't breath the air, I would think we would sooner live in domes on Earth than on domes millions of miles away.
 
I understand this, which is why I am deciding to set the novel in a universe much like our own. This gives me the freedom to dow ahtever I want, however, I would like to make a slightly more realistic setting as opposed to "Ummm, aliens everywhere, and lots of lasers"
 
Nostredame said:
Could we harvest nebulae for the plasma and hydrogen they are composed of?

In theory, yes, we could fly through a nebula and scoop some hydrogen. Of course, nebulae are still less dense than some of the world's highest man-made vacuums, so we'd have to fly pretty fast and scoop for quite a while...

Can hydrogen be used as an effective fuel?

Only if you have oxygen (to burn it) or a fusion device (to fuse it into helium).

Can plasma be used as an effective fuel?

Plasma is just a state of matter; most plasmas are just ionized hydrogen.

For paraterraforming (creating domed environments on an inhabitable planet) to happen, would that mean extracting resources from our own planet i.e. soil, oxygen, therefore leaving the planet with less of this and therefore in danger? Is it possible to get the necessary components from elsewhere?

Most rocky planets have roughly the same compositions (nitrogen, carbon, oxygen, etc.). Ideally, we'd not have to bring any raw materials from Earth. It would be uneconomical.

If the aforementioned fuels were used (hydrogen/plasma) and were released out of the domed environments into the planets own atmosphere what composition would the atmosphere take? i.e.. What would the main gases be, would there be ash covering the ground etc.

If you fuse the hydrogen into helium and then dump it to the atmosphere, most of it would escape the planet entirely and enter interplanetary space. Planets the size of Earth do not have sufficient gravity to retain hydrogen or helium gases in their atmospheres. If you burn the hydrogen, you produce water, which would stick around (and form lakes or glaciers).

Are walking vehicles i.e. Star Wars At-Ats, superior to wheeled vehicles in any way/situation/environment?

I don't think it's possible to make such a blanket statement in either direction.

And finally, is hover technology possible i.e. Star Wars floating tank idea (See Episode I)

Such technology is not currently known, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. It currently appears that true anti-gravity is not physically possible, though.

- Warren
 
chroot said:
Only if you have oxygen (to burn it) or a fusion device (to fuse it into helium).

Almost right. The NERVA and KIWI series (and maybe others) of rocket engines pumped hydrogen through a fission pile to heat it and produce thrust.
The Bussard ramjet (and in fiction the interstellar ramscoop), though, are based upon funneling hydrogen into a fusion reactor.
 
Danger said:
Almost right. The NERVA and KIWI series (and maybe others) of rocket engines pumped hydrogen through a fission pile to heat it and produce thrust.

In this case, the hydrogen is not used a fuel, or energy source -- it's simply mass to be squirted out the end of a rocket. The energy comes from the fission pile.

- Warren
 
This might be just a war of words. The hydrogen constitutes the reaction mass, and by definitions that I'm aware of, that makes it the 'fuel'. I agree that the energy comes from an outside source, but it still has to have a medium to react with in order to do anything.
 
It does seem like anti-gravity stuff is impossible from our current point of view, but with all of the work being put into theoretical physics, unification, QG, etc, I wouldn't completely write it off.
 
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staf9 said:
It does seem like anti-gravity stuff is impossible from our current point of view, but with all of the work being put into theoretical physics, unification, QG, etc, I wouldn't completely write it off.

I can't really foresee that happening. People are still looking for 'gravitons' as the bosuns of 'gravitational charge'. Even if they turn up, it might not make any difference. A lot of Star Trek stuff, including inertial dampers and the tractor beam, were based upon the idea of using 'anti-gravitons'. Since the alleged particles are massless, might we not expect that, like the similarlly massless photons, they are their own anti-particles? After all, we know pretty much everything that there is to be known about photons, and yet nobody has developed 'anti-light'.
If Einstein was correct, on the other hand, how do you propose to 'unwarp' space-time?
 

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