Building a Battery for a Shoebox-Sized Vehicle

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The discussion revolves around building a battery for a shoebox-sized vehicle, focusing on DIY approaches and chemistry involved in battery construction. Participants explore various battery types, materials, and safety considerations, while acknowledging the limitations of homemade batteries compared to commercial options.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the feasibility of "building" a battery, suggesting that assembling pre-made cells is more practical than creating cells from scratch due to challenges in achieving decent performance.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the project is a science experiment and seeks advice on constructing the best possible DIY battery, acknowledging it won't match commercial batteries.
  • A suggestion is made to research the chemistry of historical non-rechargeable cells to create a simpler version, avoiding hazardous materials.
  • A participant proposes using a Daniel cell as a potential design for the battery.
  • Discussion includes the use of zinc or manganese in alkaline solutions, highlighting the importance of depolarizers and the purity of metals for battery performance.
  • Another participant suggests using dissimilar metals in an acid bath to create a simple battery setup, discussing configurations for voltage and current output.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the feasibility and methods of building a battery, with no consensus on a single approach or design. Multiple competing views on materials and construction techniques remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the performance of DIY batteries compared to commercial options, as well as safety concerns related to the materials and chemicals used in construction.

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This discussion may be useful for hobbyists, students, or educators interested in experimental battery design and chemistry, particularly in a DIY context.

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Hi Everyone,

I need to build a battery for a shoebox-sized vehicle.

I'm still collecting requirements, but I'm wondering if you have any suggestions beyond a potato battery ;^)

Farina
 
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What do you call "build" a battery?

Buy cells, assemble them into a battery, that's feasible.

Build the cells themselves is very hard. With limited resources and knowledge, you can't make a decent cell. Only obtain very bad power density, energy density and shelf life.
 
This is a science project. Yes, I'm aware that the battery I build won't compare to a store-bought battery. This is a wet-chemistry project. Clearly it's possible to build a battery. My question is how to build the best possible DIY battery.
 
I suggest you do some research on the chemistry of commercial non-rechargeable cells that have been used over the last 100 years or so, and then build your own version of one of them. Choose a type that doesn't need complicated manufacturing techniques, and doesn't use materials that are too hazardous - no heavy metals especially lead or mercury, no strong acids or alkalis, etc.
 
What about a daniel cell?
 
Zinc or manganese, possibly alkaline (=caustic, depends on how easy you're with chemistry safety), with carbon and manganese dioxide as a depolarizer (no performance without a depolarizer). The purity of the consumed metal defines its shelf life; you could fill the electrolyte at last moment.

Put many thin electrodes in parallel to get more short-time power.
 
Farina said:
Hi Everyone,

I need to build a battery for a shoebox-sized vehicle.

I'm still collecting requirements, but I'm wondering if you have any suggestions beyond a potato battery ;^)

Farina

How much power do you need? It sounds to me like you need at least ten watts.

If you don't need much power you could just use dissimilar metals in an acid bath, in series for more voltage or in parallel for more current, however many you need. You would just need to keep the cells separate from each other but you could use a common vat of acid. Almost any dissimilar metal set would work, copper and aluminum, iron and zinc, some combo like that.
 
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