Building a motorcycle, need classical mechanics help

AI Thread Summary
An engineering graduate is building a motorcycle and seeks assistance with classical mechanics and materials strength to ensure the durability of the subframe, which is welded at four points. The subframe consists of 25 mm diameter tubing with a wall thickness of 1.6 mm, made from EN 10305-3 E220 low carbon steel. The discussion touches on the distinction between a subframe and the main frame, with clarification that the subframe supports the passenger. Concerns about safety and the lack of access to finite element analysis (FEA) software are also raised, highlighting the importance of proper calculations to avoid potential harm. The thread concludes with a reminder of the serious implications of inadequate safety measures in motorcycle construction.
Feroyn
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
TL;DR Summary
I am building a motorcycle subframe, and I want to calculate the strength/durability of the structure. I need help doing that!
Hi!

I am an engineering graduate that took my bachelor's degree in Mechanical Engineering much too long ago, but I have forgotten a lot of the classical mechanics/mechanics of materials theory that I had learned many years ago. I am building a motorcycle right now, and I want to calculate the strength and durability of my build, to make sure I can use these aesthetics.

Here is the subframe that I want to calculate from. Assume the entire piece will be fully welded on the mainframe (welded at 4 spots).
Tubing is 25 mm in diameter, with a wall thickness of 1.6mm. Steel is EN 10305-3 E220 non-alloy low carbon steel.

181334229_10160890541748056_5314149462933643597_n.jpeg


Here's a quick side-profile sketch of my silly forces/moments. I'm assuming the force is at one spot to make it simpler (my weight).
1619908398624.png


Does anyone have any idea of how to approach this problem in both a classical mechanics (assuming the tubing won't deform/flex), and in a materials strength aspect (since it does flex and might be prone to bending IRL).

Sorry for the stupid question if this is rudimentary. Thank you for any help!
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
Welcome to PF. :smile:

This thread will likely get closed due to safety concerns, but can you say what distinguishes a subframe from the frame? I'm only familiar with the term frame in motorcycle construction.

Also, what FEA software do you have access to? That's obviously how the regular design folks do this type of task...
 
Thank you Berkeman!

Oh, safety concerns because it might cause me harm if I calculate it wrong? I take on full responsibility for anything that I build and maintain. :) I just want to learn how to approach an issue like this.

The subframe is basically the back frame that sticks out and is welded on 4 spots. Here's a better image of the top view for the subframe:

1619910808494.png
 
Oh and currently I don't have access to any FEM analysis program. Those are quite expensive aren't they? :)
 
Feroyn said:
I take on full responsibility for anything that I build and maintain.
Feroyn said:
The subframe is basically the back frame that sticks out and is welded on 4 spots.
Hmm, so the part that your passenger sits on. Got it.
Feroyn said:
Oh and currently I don't have access to any FEM analysis program. Those are quite expensive aren't they? :)
The software is a lot less expensive than a negligent homicide lawsuit settlement usually runs. Thread is closed.
 
Posted June 2024 - 15 years after starting this class. I have learned a whole lot. To get to the short course on making your stock car, late model, hobby stock E-mod handle, look at the index below. Read all posts on Roll Center, Jacking effect and Why does car drive straight to the wall when I gas it? Also read You really have two race cars. This will cover 90% of problems you have. Simply put, the car pushes going in and is loose coming out. You do not have enuff downforce on the right...
I'm trying to decide what size and type of galvanized steel I need for 2 cantilever extensions. The cantilever is 5 ft. The space between the two cantilever arms is a 17 ft Gap the center 7 ft of the 17 ft Gap we'll need to Bear approximately 17,000 lb spread evenly from the front of the cantilever to the back of the cantilever over 5 ft. I will put support beams across these cantilever arms to support the load evenly
Thread 'What's the most likely cause for this carbon seal crack?'
We have a molded carbon graphite seal that is used in an inline axial piston, variable displacement hydraulic pump. One of our customers reported that, when using the “A” parts in the past, they only needed to replace them due to normal wear. However, after switching to our parts, the replacement cycle seems to be much shorter due to “broken” or “cracked” failures. This issue was identified after hydraulic fluid leakage was observed. According to their records, the same problem has occurred...
Back
Top