Building Planets: Explaining Expression (??) in Planet Construction

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of a specific expression in the context of constructing planets, particularly focusing on how to optimize the planet's surface to maximize gravitational contribution while minimizing mass. Participants are exploring theoretical aspects of this problem as presented in a referenced document.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the concept of a "constant contour" of an expression, suggesting it relates to a measure of cost effectiveness in planet construction.
  • Another participant explains that to maximize the integral contributing to gravitational force while minimizing mass, the mass should be distributed according to the contribution factor of each point.
  • A participant requests mathematical representation of the concepts discussed, expressing dissatisfaction with the verbal explanations provided.
  • One participant argues that if the planet's surface does not follow the contour, it would allow for adjustments that could increase gravity, implying that the surface must conform to the contour.
  • Another participant comments on the problem's outcome, noting that the maximum gravitational enhancement achievable is only slightly better than that of a sphere.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding and interpretation of the concepts, with some seeking more mathematical clarity while others provide explanations that may not fully address the initial questions. No consensus is reached on the best way to articulate the mathematical framework.

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Participants highlight the need for mathematical formulations to support the theoretical claims, indicating that the discussion may be limited by the absence of explicit equations or derivations.

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Hello Everyone,
I kind of followed this document

http://pages.physics.cornell.edu/~aalemi/random/planet.pdf

until on page 3, author explains

What we are trying to due, is build the planet such that each chunk con-
tributes as much as possible to this integrand. So, if we pause for a second
and think about expression (??) as a sort of measure of cost effectiveness, it
isn’t long before we realize that our planet’s surface should correspond to a
constant contour of this expression.

which does not makes too much sense to me. Can some one explain this to me, or give an alternative solution.

Thank You
 
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vaibhavtewari said:
Hello Everyone,
I kind of followed this document

http://pages.physics.cornell.edu/~aalemi/random/planet.pdf

until on page 3, author explains

What we are trying to due, is build the planet such that each chunk con-
tributes as much as possible to this integrand. So, if we pause for a second
and think about expression (??) as a sort of measure of cost effectiveness, it
isn’t long before we realize that our planet’s surface should correspond to a
constant contour of this expression.

which does not makes too much sense to me. Can some one explain this to me, or give an alternative solution.

Thank You

"constant contour of this expression" means a surface where that expression ( equation (1) given above the quoted paragraph) is the same at every point.

To maximize the integral that gives you g at some point, while minimizing the used mass, you have to fill the space with mass in the order in which each point contributes to the integral (most contributing points first). So the planet surface will be an iso-surface of the spatial function that gives you the contribution factor for each point.
 
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thanks for replying but this is almost reworded version of the statement...can you show them in equations and math

To maximize the integral that gives you g at some point, while minimizing the used mass, you have to fill the space with mass in the order in which each point contributes to the integral (most contributing points first).

Thanks
 
vaibhavtewari, If the surface of the planet did not follow the contour, there would have to be some of the planetary surface sticking outside the contour and some of the planetary surface still inside the contour. And then if you took some of the part that's outside and moved it to a place where the surface is inside, you would increase the gravity. So by contradiction, when you can no longer do this, none of the surface remains outside.
 
What Bill said.

A very nice problem BTW, with a rather disappointing result: "So, after all that work, in the end of the day, you can only do about 1.03 times better than the sphere if you want to maximize your gravity"
 
can you show it in math. Like this is the integral, something that is not worded. I am pretty sure any thing in physics that can be worded can be written in equations.

Thanks
 

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