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AJ_86
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Hi everyone
I work for a very small company, which produces steel products. Predominately from one particular hot rolled steel profile. (1040 grade)
We currently subcontract our hot rolling to small chinese operators :( I know...
At this stage our volumes are not large enough to warrant the setup costs for larger advanced mills to roll the section. Hence subcontracting to smaller chinese operators.
Because our profile section is rare we are experience a few problems, notably
- price, we know we are getting stung, as no-one really wants the hassle of rolling a rare profile without huge volume
- Inability to roll our desired section profile (we have to compromise). This is due to the constraints of both older machinery, and lack of interest in any development by the smaller mills.
- we have our share of Chinese quality problems as well (though this is expected)
We are currently looking at building our own small mill, designed specifically for our product. We have some new rolling ideas, that we would like to implement, that would enable us to roll a more complicated section and save significant processing costs.
We have a lot of experience building large custom steel machinery, but hot rolling is relatively new to us. We'd be buying an induction billet heater to save ourselves a bit of hassle (that would be a fun project though). But we have a little bit of money to spend, and lots of energy to burn designing our own custom mill.
Currently looking for as much info as possible.
i.e Die materials and treatments, die wear estimates, roll pass design, spread and elongation force calcs, ideal cooling rates, and other things that we need to think about etc..
Basically a DIY hot rolling mill book would be pretty helpful for us to see whether we're getting in over our heads. lol..
At some stage we'll need very experienced trustworthy engineers to consult with before we pull the trigger.
So if you can point us in the right direction, know a good source of info, books or recommended engineers, any help would be much appreciated.
Sorry some of my descriptions are rather vague, I would love to disclose our product and some of our new ideas in further detail for general discussion. However the ideas represent significant commercial value and our industry is rather competitive, and our competitors are particularly unscrupulous when it comes to copying ideas etc. (any patents would likely become patterns :) so secretively is probably the best form of protection.
Again, any help would be much appreciated.
Regards
AJ
I work for a very small company, which produces steel products. Predominately from one particular hot rolled steel profile. (1040 grade)
We currently subcontract our hot rolling to small chinese operators :( I know...
At this stage our volumes are not large enough to warrant the setup costs for larger advanced mills to roll the section. Hence subcontracting to smaller chinese operators.
Because our profile section is rare we are experience a few problems, notably
- price, we know we are getting stung, as no-one really wants the hassle of rolling a rare profile without huge volume
- Inability to roll our desired section profile (we have to compromise). This is due to the constraints of both older machinery, and lack of interest in any development by the smaller mills.
- we have our share of Chinese quality problems as well (though this is expected)
We are currently looking at building our own small mill, designed specifically for our product. We have some new rolling ideas, that we would like to implement, that would enable us to roll a more complicated section and save significant processing costs.
We have a lot of experience building large custom steel machinery, but hot rolling is relatively new to us. We'd be buying an induction billet heater to save ourselves a bit of hassle (that would be a fun project though). But we have a little bit of money to spend, and lots of energy to burn designing our own custom mill.
Currently looking for as much info as possible.
i.e Die materials and treatments, die wear estimates, roll pass design, spread and elongation force calcs, ideal cooling rates, and other things that we need to think about etc..
Basically a DIY hot rolling mill book would be pretty helpful for us to see whether we're getting in over our heads. lol..
At some stage we'll need very experienced trustworthy engineers to consult with before we pull the trigger.
So if you can point us in the right direction, know a good source of info, books or recommended engineers, any help would be much appreciated.
Sorry some of my descriptions are rather vague, I would love to disclose our product and some of our new ideas in further detail for general discussion. However the ideas represent significant commercial value and our industry is rather competitive, and our competitors are particularly unscrupulous when it comes to copying ideas etc. (any patents would likely become patterns :) so secretively is probably the best form of protection.
Again, any help would be much appreciated.
Regards
AJ