Bullet velocity using impulse-momentum

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The discussion revolves around the application of the impulse-momentum theorem to determine the muzzle velocity of a bullet fired from a rifle, using a mathematical model for pressure variation within the barrel. The original poster presents a model and attempts to calculate the muzzle velocity, comparing it to an experimentally measured value.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of a pressure function to find the force acting on the bullet, with some questioning the original poster's integration method and substitution steps. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between pressure and force, and the need to integrate correctly to find the muzzle velocity.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing dialogue about the integration process and the correct application of the impulse-momentum equation. Some participants have provided guidance on correcting integration errors, while others are exploring different interpretations of the problem setup. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to solve the problem and clarifications on the mathematical approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly relating pressure to force and integrating over the appropriate limits. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's confusion regarding the integration limits and the relationship between pressure and force, which is central to the problem.

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Homework Statement



The following mathematical model was suggested for the variation in pressure inside the 10-mm-diameter barrel of a rifle as a 25-g bullet was fired:

[tex]p(t)=(950MPa)e^{-t/(0.16ms)}[/tex]

where t is expressed in ms. Knowing that it took 1.44 ms for the bullet to travel the length of the barrel and that the velocity of the bullet upon exit was measured to be 520 m/s, determine the percent error introduced if the above equation is used to calculate the muzzle velocity of the rifle.

Answer:
8.18%

Homework Equations



[tex]mv_1+\int_{t_1}^{t_2}F(t)dt=mv_2[/tex]

Percent error = [|actual-experimental|/|actual|]*100

The Attempt at a Solution



We are given the experimental v2 and are asked to find the "actual" v2 using the mathematical model, then the percent error between them.

[tex]\left ( .025 \right )\left ( 0 \right )+\int_{0}^{.00144}950 \cdot 10^6e^{-t/.00016}dt=\left (.025 \right )\left (v_2 \right )[/tex]

[tex]v_2=\frac{\frac{-950 \cdot 10^6}{.00016}e^{-.00144/.00016}}{.025}[/tex]

This yields a number around -29 billion... Not even close to 520 m/s.
 
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Yes, because you have to exercise in solving integrals :)
 
Quinzio said:
Yes, because you have to exercise in solving integrals :)

[tex]\int e^u=u'e^u[/tex]

And that's what I did. I let [itex]u=\frac{-1}{.00016}t[/itex]

Then, [itex]u'=\frac{-1}{.00016}[/itex]

I know how to integrate, man. I'm not sure if you're trying to help me or trying to prove something...
 
JJBladester said:
[tex]\int e^u=u'e^u[/tex]

And that's what I did. I let [itex]u=\frac{-1}{.00016}t[/itex]

Then, [itex]u'=\frac{-1}{.00016}[/itex]

I know how to integrate, man. I'm not sure if you're trying to help me or trying to prove something...

Now I'm sure you have to exercise. :)
Don't get offended, we are learning and passing time here. And I'm helping you until proved the opposite.
 
Checked.
But you still need to review your work.

I just solved the problem and got the correct answer ~8.18%
 
OK, so I did the problem, and it definitely works out. A couple of comments:

1) Check your solution method. In your first post, you stated that

[tex]m_1*v_1 +\int F(t)dt = m_2*v_2[/tex]

However, when you plug in the numbers, you're not actually integrating the force. Before you integrate, you need to solve for the force acting on the projectile.

2) You're messing up the u-substitution slightly in post 3. You're close, but you are making a crucial error. You're trying to replace

[tex]\int e^{f(t)} dt[/tex]

with

[tex]\int k*e^u du[/tex]

However, you aren't solving for k correctly. Try solving for dt as a function of du.
 
[tex]u=\frac{-1}{.00016}t[/tex]

[tex]du=\frac{-1}{.00016}dt[/tex]

[tex]dt=-.00016du[/tex]

[tex]\int_{0}^{t}950\cdot 10^6e^{-t/.00016}=(950\cdot10^6)(-.00016)\int_{0}^{t}e^udu=(950\cdot10^6)(-.00016)e^{-t/.00016}[/tex]

Ok, so above I've found the integral of the pressure function of the rifle. Below I solve for the pressure at 1.44ms from the original function.

[tex]F(t)=950\cdot 10^6e^{-t/.00016} \to F(.00144)=950\cdot 10^6e^{-.00144/.00016}=117239[/tex]

Now I'm really lost. I try going back to the initial impulse-momentum equation:

[tex]mv_1+\int_{0}^{t}F(t)dt=mv_2[/tex]

[tex]v_2=\frac{\int_{0}^{t}F(t)dt}{m}=\frac{(950\cdot10^6)(-.00016)e^{-.00144/.00016}}{.025}-.750[/tex]

Any ideas, because it feels like I'm running in circles.
 
OK, now you're using the correct u-substitution (unlike before). There's still a couple of problems though. You still aren't actually integrating the force. You need to write an expression relating the force to the pressure, and then integrate that (rather than directly integrating the pressure as you are now).

Also, why are you solving for F(0.00144)? It's never needed for the solution.
 
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cjl said:
You need to write an expression relating the force to the pressure...

I see... I was mistakingly thinking pressure was force, but it's really force/area. The relationship:

[tex]Pressure=\frac{Force}{Area}[/tex]

[tex]\therefore Force=\left (Pressure \right )\left (Area \right )[/tex]

[tex]F(t)=p(t)\left ( A \right )=\left [950\cdot 10^6e^{-t/.00016} \right ]\left [\pi (.005)^2 \right ][/tex]

[tex]mv_1=\int_{0}^{t}F(t)dt=mv_2[/tex]

[tex]v_2=\frac{\left (950\cdot 10^6 \right )\left (\pi (.005)^2 \right )(-.00016)e^{-t/.00016}}{.025}[/tex]

Plugging in 1.44ms (.00144s) into the equation above for v2 yields -0.0589, not even close to 520 m/s. Did I mess up the math again?
 
  • #11
Now you're extremely close. You performed the integral correctly, and that is the correct solution to the integral. However, you have to plug in both of the integration limits and take the difference (since at t = 0, e-t/0.00016 is equal to 1, not 0)
 
  • #12
Got it! Thanks cjl! :)

[tex]v_2=\frac{\pi(.005)^2\left (950\cdot 10^6 \right )(-.00016)\left [e^{-.00144/.00016}-e^{0/.00016} \right ]}{.025}=477.5m/s[/tex]

[tex]error=\left |\frac{theoretical-experimental}{theoretical} \right |*100=[/tex]




[tex]\left |\frac{520-477.5}{520} \right |*100=8.18[/tex]
 
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