Bush Administration: "Remarkably Clean

[The Smoking Man]

Maybe it was my youth and naiveté, but even if people didn't care for Reagan's policies, I felt he represented our country well. The same goes for all the presidents between then and now, including Bush Sr.
Clinton was always a womanizer, but the rest of the world does not share our puritan roots--in fact some may even admire him for this. I would have preferred he used more discretion, but he is an intelligent, good speaker and politician, so he never embarrassed me.
Bush is bad at his job as well as his presentation--all around embarrassing. More importantly, his rise to presidency was done in the dirtiest way known in modern politics, which has never let up.

Hey ... as far as womanizers, America's 'golden boy' is JFK.

Clinton did a chubbette ... JFK did Marylin.

 

[pattylou]

No. He has the blood of many, many more than that on his hands.

So the deaths in Iraq are not Clinton's fault. That's good.

What deaths *are* his fault, and how do those deaths differ from the deaths in Iraq?

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Wow ... You're right ... Kim Jong Il ... It works! (Few have access to nukes... hence the danger bit)

I don't restrict my definition of dangerous to those who have access to direct means of physical destruction. Simply passing certain legislation or promoting certain individuals to positions of power can easily be dangerous acts.

Clinton was always a womanizer, but the rest of the world does not share our puritan roots--in fact some may even admire him for this. I would have preferred he used more discretion, but he is an intelligent, good speaker and politician, so he never embarrassed me.

I'm embarassed to say but I never paid that much attention to him while he was in office. Since he has been out of office though I have heard some suprisingly idiotic things come out of his mouth so I have to say I'm not so sure he's all that bright so much as slick and charming.

 

[Lisa!]

A too long thread only for a mistake I edit it for you in this way:

Calling Bush's administration "remarkably clean," he added: "The amazing thing is that they went almost five years with having any kind of scandle."

Edit: They're clean in compare with what they're going to be in the future!

The worst thing is that I found myself agreeing with Burnsys - that's kind of sad since Burnsys hates just about anything American. There is a difference, though. Clinton was an embarrassment to America while Bush is a danger to America.

Yep, I guess he's as funny as Danger's posts. You know Bush and his supporters always make me laugh.

 

[russ_watters]

So the deaths in Iraq are not Clinton's fault. That's good.

What deaths *are* his fault, and how do those deaths differ from the deaths in Iraq?

I'm disappointed in you, pattylou. Liberals are supposed to be the compassionate ones, and you can't think of any? Heck, one such failure resulted in the resignation of a major cabinet member.

If you want full treatment of why that bumper sticker is just mindless, meaningless rhetoric, start a new thread about it - there is just too much there, on multiple levels, to do it here without hijacking the thread.

 

[russ_watters]

Since he [Clinton] has been out of office though I have heard some suprisingly idiotic things come out of his mouth so I have to say I'm not so sure he's all that bright so much as slick and charming.

Well, there is a reason they called him "Slick Willie" long before he was President. People generally cite his Rhodes scholarship as proof of intelligence, but intelligence alone does not guarantee competency.

 

[russ_watters]

http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/011905D.shtml

For fun, I looked at that link. It lists 34 scandals of the Bush Presidency. Could you do me a favor and and count how many of them actually involve anyone from his administration? For example, what does a possible bribery of one Senator by another (#17) have to do with Bush?

 

[SOS2008]

I'm embarassed to say but I never paid that much attention to him while he was in office. Since he has been out of office though I have heard some suprisingly idiotic things come out of his mouth so I have to say I'm not so sure he's all that bright so much as slick and charming.

Are there websites, books, etc. devoted to the things Clinton says the way there are for Bushisms? Come on, you know Bush is the most embarrassing—don’t make me spend time documenting this.

 

[MaxS]

This is rather typical.. the entire conservative administration has set itself up for a major downfall, and the hardcore nutters are trying to blame it all on clinton

 

[pattylou]

I'm disappointed in you, pattylou. Liberals are supposed to be the compassionate ones, and you can't think of any? Heck, one such failure resulted in the resignation of a major cabinet member.
If you want full treatment of why that bumper sticker is just mindless, meaningless rhetoric, start a new thread about it - there is just too much there, on multiple levels, to do it here without hijacking the thread.

No, I just have no idea what you're on about.

Can you answer the question? So far you've evaded it.

What deaths were clintons fault, and how do these deaths differ from the deaths in iraq?

Thanks Russ, I'll be looking forward to your answer.

-Patty

p.s. I've made no comments about the bumper sticker, don't know why you thought I had.

 

[russ_watters]

p.s. I've made no comments about the bumper sticker, don't know why you thought I had.

Um...because that's what this entire line of discussion is about.

 

[pattylou]

So, can you answer my question?

What deaths were clintons fault, and how do these deaths differ from the deaths in iraq?

Thanks in advance, Russ.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Are there websites, books, etc. devoted to the things Clinton says the way there are for Bushisms? Come on, you know Bush is the most embarrassing—don’t make me spend time documenting this.

I'm not defending Bush in any way. Just saying that Clinton isn't exactly clean of embarassment. Reagan wasn't either really, nor is Bush Sr.

"Read My Lips!"

Again, not defending anyone really I just don't think very highly of most politicians. As with most leaders I can think of very few that were truly great and deserving of reverence.
It seems like the really great persons are all from quite some time ago. Like some sort of "age of greatness" has passed and we're living in a world of mediocrity. Maybe it's just that the bad things about these people have mostly fallen from memory and we only want to remember the good things about them and even exagerate those things.

 

[SOS2008]

I'm not defending Bush in any way. Just saying that Clinton isn't exactly clean of embarassment. Reagan wasn't either really, nor is Bush Sr.

"Read My Lips!"

Again, not defending anyone really I just don't think very highly of most politicians. As with most leaders I can think of very few that were truly great and deserving of reverence.

It seems like the really great persons are all from quite some time ago. Like some sort of "age of greatness" has passed and we're living in a world of mediocrity. Maybe it's just that the bad things about these people have mostly fallen from memory and we only want to remember the good things about them and even exagerate those things.

I guess it is a spectrum, perhaps from mediocre to really bad. Some things have deteriorated over the generations, but mostly it is the increase of media coverage. Political leaders are only humans like everyone else.

 

[The Smoking Man]

I guess it is a spectrum, perhaps from mediocre to really bad. Some things have deteriorated over the generations, but mostly it is the increase of media coverage. Political leaders are only humans like everyone else.

Nobody can argue the perfection of any politician. We're all 'picking the lesser of any number of evils'. Bush is just particularly evil.

 

[pattylou]

So, can you answer my question?
What deaths were clintons fault, and how do these deaths differ from the deaths in iraq?
Thanks in advance, Russ.

Just so the question doesn't get lost.

 

[The Smoking Man]

Just so the question doesn't get lost.

Don't you get it?

It's only 'liberals' that need proof.

Russ just goes off and hooks into things like the GDP from 1944 to 1988 like he did on the other thread and thinks that is good enough.

We're required to take it on faith.

Surely you remember all those deaths ... er? ... or was it THOSE deaths ... I can't be sure.

 

[pattylou]

To be honest I'm less interested in the actual deaths, and more interested in whether Russ recognizes the importance of providing references when you make a claim.

As a super mentor, he should.

Russ?