Bush's Accomplishments: A Look at His 4-Year Term

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The discussion revolves around the accomplishments and failures of President Bush during his four-year term, focusing on various aspects such as military actions, economic impacts, and civilian casualties. Participants share differing perspectives on these topics, providing links and references to support their claims.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Saddam Hussein is imprisoned, suggesting this as an accomplishment of Bush's presidency.
  • Others argue that the military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan resulted in significant civilian casualties, with one participant estimating over 10,000 Iraqi civilian deaths.
  • There are claims regarding the economic impact of Bush's policies, including turning a budget surplus into a deficit, with references to Congressional Budget Office projections.
  • Some participants assert that the military strategies employed resulted in a historically low casualty rate for American troops, while others challenge the significance of these statistics.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of the military occupation in Iraq, including the adequacy of troop levels and support.
  • Participants express frustration over the repetition of arguments and the need for credible references to support claims made about casualties and economic data.
  • Discussions include the distinction between on-budget and off-budget calculations of deficits, with some participants providing links to official budget data for clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach consensus, as multiple competing views remain regarding the assessment of Bush's accomplishments and failures. Disagreements persist over the interpretation of casualty figures, economic impacts, and the effectiveness of military strategies.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying interpretations of casualty figures, differing definitions of economic terms, and unresolved debates about the implications of military actions and budgetary policies.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals examining political history, military strategy, economic policy, and the impacts of presidential decisions on both domestic and international fronts.

  • #61
JohnDubYa said:
I thought you liked the United Nations. By invading Iraq, George W. undid the sanctions imposed by the United Nations.
The sanctions were driven from day one by the USA. The sanctions killed people. The invasion, part of which meant the end of those sanctions, killed people. None of it is good.

My opinion of the UN had been stated several times.

Whose opinions matter more? Surviving relatives of those killed by the US Army, or surviving relatives of those killed by Saddam Hussein and the sanctions? Why did you only single out the former? (Possible bias, perhaps?)
Both are important. And the reasons for discussing the deaths caused by the USA invasion have been covered extensively in many threads. Including this one.
 
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  • #62
JohnDubYa said:
By the way, Adam, I didn't say the DEATHS were meaningless. I said the body-counts (that is, statistics) were meaningless.

Ah. How nice that you can sit there thousands of KM away and separate the deaths from the numbers.
 
  • #63
How nice that you can sit there thousands of KM away and separate the deaths from the numbers.

You really don't understand the meaning of statistics, do you?

The sanctions were driven from day one by the USA.

The sanctions were voted on, and imposed by, the United Nations.
 
  • #64
how pointless this thread has become.

just another battleground for the DubYa vs Smart people war.
 
  • #65
Yeah, that's about it. :zzz:
 
  • #66
Smurf, cheerleader tryouts ended two days ago.
 

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