Cables in tension passing through board with holes.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the design and application of a board with holes used to redirect cables in tension, exploring real-life examples and potential improvements. The context includes practical applications, design considerations, and the implications of using such a system instead of traditional pulleys.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks examples of systems that use a board with holes to redirect cables in tension, expressing difficulty in finding relevant information.
  • Another participant argues that pulleys are typically used in tension systems to provide mechanical advantage, suggesting that the proposed design may not effectively achieve the intended purpose.
  • Examples of existing systems, such as industrial sewing machines and aircraft control cables, are mentioned, highlighting their use of guiding mechanisms.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for frictional wear and fatigue on cables if they rub against the holes in the proposed design.
  • A participant shares a personal experience with a similar issue in an irrigation system, discussing a modification that reduced wear on the guiding mechanism.
  • There is a debate about the educational value of practical experimentation versus theoretical learning, with differing opinions on the effectiveness of trial-and-error approaches in engineering.
  • The original poster clarifies that the board is intended to redirect cables to specific force vectors and describes the testing conditions for their design.
  • A suggestion is made to use Teflon tubing to reduce friction when cables pass through the holes in the board.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and practicality of using a board with holes for redirecting cables in tension. While some provide constructive feedback and suggestions, there is no consensus on the viability of the proposed design or the best methods for implementation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential limitations regarding friction and wear on cables, as well as the need for careful consideration of design choices in practical applications. The discussion reflects varying perspectives on the balance between practical experimentation and theoretical understanding in engineering.

FreshVeggies
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Hey guys,

I'm looking for examples of real life systems which uses a board with holes to redirect cables in tension (as opposed to pulleys) for some inspiration on a project I'm working on.

I've attached an schematic of what I mean. I've tried searching google for systems but it's a hard thing to describe accurately. Also any advice as to how to improve on this design is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
 

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I think you misunderstand the purpose of using pulleys in tension systems. Yes, the direction of the tensile elements can be changed by the placement of the sheave w.r.t. the load and the pulling force, but in many applications, a system of sheaves is used to provide a mechanical advantage, in order to move a large load using a small input force.

It's not clear what your design does except to provide a means to apply several tension forces to a single load. In rigging applications, this is usually accomplished by the use of spreader bars or lifting frames.
 
Industrial sewing machines have polished ceramic eyes to guide the thread from the bobbin to the machine.

Control cables in aircraft run through the structural ribs of the airframe.
 
Baluncore said:
Control cables in aircraft run through the structural ribs of the airframe.

True, but if there was nothing to stop a cable rubbing against the holes where it changes direction (as in the OP's diagram), I don't want to fly until somebody redesigns the cable run :eek:

The OP didn't give much detail about the design, but it looks a "good" way to break the cables by frictional wear and/or fatigue, if the position of the bend along the length of the cable keeps changing.
 
FreshVeggies. First a belated welcome to PF.

AlephZero said:
… but it looks a "good" way to break the cables by frictional wear and/or fatigue, …
In education it is most important to produce a quick result. Learning about practicalities is a most important part of the education process. I will support anyone who is prepared to try something practical, even if I think there will be problems in the longer term.

I maintain an irrigator that pulls itself along a wire. The manufacturer did not count on the wire being covered with wet grit and so cutting the steel guide eye from the front of the steering mechanism. I replaced the eye with a porcelain insulator from an electric fence and the problem was greatly reduced. When wear does occur, the eye can be quickly rotated or replaced.
 
Baluncore said:
In education it is most important to produce a quick result.
Eh? You don't need to any education to produce a quick result. Just throw together the first random ideas that come into your head.

Learning about practicalities is a most important part of the education process.
Agreed, but ...
I will support anyone who is prepared to try something practical, even if I think there will be problems in the longer term.
... there are more effective ways to learn than by wasting time and money building something that is designed to fail. And if you don't bother to test it under conditions that make it fail, you learn nothing anyway.

I suppose there are some people who can only learn that sticking their hand in the fire will burn them by actually doing it, but that doesn't mean it's the best teaching or learning strategy.

In the engineering sector that I work in, nobody builds and tests things "to find out what will happen" any more. They build and test things to verify that they do what they are supposed to do. That's a BIG shift in attitude.
 
Thanks for the warm welcome and advice guys, and sorry for not making what I'm trying to do clearer.

Basically the board is there to redirect the cable to specific force vectors. The object that's being loaded is being loaded slowly from 0 [N] to x [N] and then held at x [N] statically to measure the resultant force on the object. Also this is a small scale design with cheap, easy to replace cables/sting/rope/etc.

The main issue I am currently having is that some outlier force vectors which require testing are near parallel with the board. That's why I asked for examples to see it there were low friction ways which to redirect cables that aren't pulleys. (because the use of the board with holes is mandatory)
 
Maybe you can find some short lengths of Teflon tube, (PTFE). The cable will slide in the tube and so pass through the hole in the board with very low friction.

PTFE insulated wire is available, you might use the insulation from that.

PTFE tube;
http://stores.ebay.com.au/Folger-Technologies-LLC/_i.html?_nkw=ptfe&submit=Search&_sid=4888586
 
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