Calc 1 proof IVT Rolles theorem

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The discussion revolves around proving that the equation 2x - 2 - cos(x) = 0 has exactly one real solution using the Intermediate Value Theorem (IVT) and Rolle's Theorem. The subject area includes calculus, specifically the application of theorems related to continuous functions and their derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the need to establish an interval [a, b] where the function changes sign to apply the IVT. There is an exploration of the implications of the function's derivative being always positive, indicating that the function is increasing. Some participants express confusion regarding the application of Rolle's Theorem, particularly in the absence of points where f(a) = f(b).

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions, and exploring different approaches. Some have suggested specific intervals to demonstrate the existence of a root, while others are considering the implications of the function's behavior based on its derivative. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There are indications that participants are grappling with the requirements for applying theorems correctly, particularly in identifying appropriate intervals and understanding the implications of the function's monotonicity. The discussion reflects a learning process with varying levels of confidence among participants.

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Homework Statement


Use the intermediate value theorem and rolles theorem to prove that the equation has exactly one real solution
2x-2-cos(x)=0

The Attempt at a Solution


Let the interval be [a,b] and let f(a)<0 and f(b)>0
Then by the IVT there must be at least one zero between a and b.
f'(x)=2+sin(x)
since f'(x) doesn't = 0 anywhere and its always >0, therefore f(x) is increasing throughout its entire domain. Therefore f(a) cannot = f(b) anywhere.

I feel like I am doing a bad job at explaining this, but this is my first proof for class ever, other than geometry in high school and i was bad at it. Is there anything terribly wrong or that could be improved upon at all?
 
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462chevelle said:

Homework Statement


Use the intermediate value theorem and rolles theorem to prove that the equation has exactly one real solution
2x-2-cos(x)=0
3. The Attempt at a Solution
Let the interval be [a,b] and let f(a)<0 and f(b)>0
No, you can't do this. You need to find numbers a and b for which the two inequalities are true. Just try a few values to see if you can get the function to change sign going from one number to the other.
462chevelle said:
Then by the IVT there must be at least one zero between a and b.
f'(x)=2+sin(x)
since f'(x) doesn't = 0 anywhere and its always >0, therefore f(x) is increasing throughout its entire domain. Therefore f(a) cannot = f(b) anywhere.

I feel like I am doing a bad job at explaining this, but this is my first proof for class ever, other than geometry in high school and i was bad at it. Is there anything terribly wrong or that could be improved upon at all?
 
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My confusion is that there is no points where f(a)=f(b) so i don't really know what to do with rolles theorem. Ill rewrite that part with some numbers.
 
Let me change what I said. Use the IVT first. That will show that there is at least one root.
 
alright, so if i make the interval [0,2] i get a - then a +. so that would satisfy the IVT. then i use my info that the derivative is always positive so the function is always increasing, therefore only crosses the x-axis once. How do i factor in rolles theorem? or would i have to use contradiction or something? Or could i say, that since there is no interval where f(a)=f(b) then if the function is increasing in one point then it must be increasing throughout the entire domain.
 
I think you have to use contradiction. From the IVT, you know that there is a zero (around 1.2, BTW). Call this a.

Now suppose that there is another solution b ≠ a, such that f(b) = 0.
What does Rolle's say?
What do you know about f'(x)?
 
You have already said
since f'(x) doesn't = 0 anywhere and its always >0, therefore f(x) is increasing throughout its entire domain. Therefore f(a) cannot = f(b) anywhere.
So if f(a)= 0 then we cannot have f(b)= 0 for any other b. that is, f(x)= 0 has at most one solution.

As others have said you cannot simply assert
Let the interval be [a,b] and let f(a)<0 and f(b)>0
until you know that there exist values of x where f(x)< 0 and where f(x)> 0.

You are given that f(x)= 2x- 2- cos(x). Further, you know that cos(x) has value only between -1 and 1. Suppose x is some very large, negative, number, say x= -1000000. What can you say about f(x)? Suppose x is some very large, positive, number, say x= 1000000. What can you say about f(x)?
 

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