Calc. Christoffel Symbols of Hiscock Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the Christoffel symbols, specifically ##\Gamma^\tau_{\tau\tau}##, in the context of Hiscock coordinates. Participants explore the implications of the metric components and the nature of the coordinates involved, focusing on theoretical aspects of general relativity and differential geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Hiscock coordinates and proposes that ##\Gamma^\tau_{\tau\tau}## can be assumed to be zero based on the derivatives of the metric components.
  • Another participant questions the characterization of ##\tau## as a coordinate, suggesting it is proper time instead.
  • Further replies clarify that the new coordinates are indeed ##\tau## and ##r##, referencing a specific paper for context.
  • Participants discuss the absence of a complete metric in the original post but note that certain metric components match those in the referenced paper.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the definition of ##\tau## and its relationship to the coefficients in the provided equations.
  • Another participant suggests that the metric is "manifestly static," implying that ##\Gamma^{\tau}_{\tau\tau}## should be zero.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of calculation over guessing, reiterating the formula for the Christoffel symbols and concluding that ##\Gamma^\tau_{\tau\tau}## is indeed zero due to the lack of explicit dependence on ##\tau## in the metric.
  • One participant expresses confidence in the conclusion that ##\Gamma^\tau_{\tau\tau}## is zero and inquires about the form of the new metric.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the characterization of ##\tau## and the assumptions regarding the Christoffel symbols. While some suggest that ##\Gamma^\tau_{\tau\tau}## is zero, others challenge this assumption, leading to an unresolved discussion regarding the implications of the metric and the nature of the coordinates.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the completeness of the metric provided and the definitions of the coordinates involved. Some assumptions about the relationships between the variables and their derivatives remain unresolved.

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Calculating the christoffel symbols of Hiscock coordinates.
The Hiscock coordinates read:

$$d\tau=(1+\frac{v^2(1-f)}{1-v^2(1-f)^2})dt-\frac{v(1-f)}{1-v^2(1-f)^2}dx$$

##dr=dx-vdt##

Where ##f## is a function of ##r##. Now, in terms of calculating the christoffel symbol ##\Gamma^\tau_{\tau\tau}## of the new metric, where ##g_{\tau\tau}=v^2(1-f)^2-1## and ##g_{\tau r}=0##, can I safely assume that ##\Gamma^\tau_{\tau\tau}=0##, since ##\frac{\partial g_{\tau\tau}}{\partial \tau}=\frac{\partial g_{\tau\tau}}{\partial r}\frac{\partial r}{\partial \tau}## (in the Jacobi matrix ##\frac{\partial r}{\partial \tau}=0)##?
 
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Onyx said:
in terms of calculating the christoffel symbol ##\Gamma^\tau_{\tau\tau}## of the new metric
What "new metric"? ##\tau## isn't a coordinate, it's proper time.
 
PeterDonis said:
What "new metric"? ##\tau## isn't a coordinate, it's proper time.
Not in this case, apparently. The new coordinates appear to be ##\tau,r##. This appears to be in reference to https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9707024.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Where in this paper does the metric shown in the OP appear?
There isn't a complete metric in the OP, but the stated ##g_{\tau\tau}## and ##g_{\tau r}## match equation 12 given equation 10 for a definition of ##A(r)##.
 
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Ibix said:
Not in this case, apparently. The new coordinates appear to be ##\tau,r##. This appears to be in reference to https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9707024.
I apoligize, I should have adopted ##dT## instead to be more clear.
 
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Would it be possible to do it with something like Maple?
 
I'm struggling slightly to determine the definition of ##\tau## here. The definition you quote, given in the paper I found, is for ##d\tau##. By the chain rule that's ##\frac{\partial\tau}{\partial t}dt+\frac{\partial\tau}{\partial r}dr##, but I can't make sense of the coefficients in your definition in those terms. Am I missing something here?
 
This might help:
##d\tau=dt-\frac{v(1-f)}{1-v^2(1-f)^2}dr=dt-\frac{v(1-f)}{1-v^2(1-f)^2}(dx-vdt)=(1+\frac{v^2(1-f)}{1-v^2(1-f)^2})dt-\frac{v(1-f)}{1-v^2(1-f)^2}dx##
 
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Onyx said:
This might help:
##d\tau=dt-\frac{v(1-f)}{1-v^2(1-f)^2}dr=dt-\frac{v(1-f)}{1-v^2(1-f)^2}(dx-vdt)##
My instinct is that, since it says that the metric is "manifestly static", ##\Gamma^{\tau}_{\tau\tau}## is indeed zero.
 
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Don't guess, calculate. Generally you know that$$\Gamma^a_{bc}=\frac 12g^{ai}\left(\partial_b g_{ic}+\partial_c g_{bi}-\partial_i g_{bc}\right)$$so in this case$$\Gamma^\tau_{\tau\tau}=\frac 12g^{\tau i}\left(\partial_\tau g_{i\tau}+\partial_\tau g_{\tau i}-\partial_ig_{\tau\tau}\right)$$I think that the metric is diagonal, so the only non-zero ##g^{\tau i}## is the ##i=\tau## one. But since ##g_{\tau\tau}## has no explicit dependence on ##\tau## then the Christoffel symbol is indeed zero.
 
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Ibix said:
Don't guess, calculate. Generally you know that$$\Gamma^a_{bc}=\frac 12g^{ai}\left(\partial_b g_{ic}+\partial_c g_{bi}-\partial_i g_{bc}\right)$$so in this case$$\Gamma^\tau_{\tau\tau}=\frac 12g^{\tau i}\left(\partial_\tau g_{i\tau}+\partial_\tau g_{\tau i}-\partial_ig_{\tau\tau}\right)$$I think that the metric is diagonal, so the only non-zero ##g^{\tau i}## is the ##i=\tau## one. But since ##g_{\tau\tau}## has no explicit dependence on ##\tau## then the Christoffel symbol is indeed zero.
I was pretty sure of it was zero. Thank you. One last thing:

For the new metric, is ##n_a=(\sqrt{A},0)##?
Ibix said:
Don't guess, calculate. Generally you know that$$\Gamma^a_{bc}=\frac 12g^{ai}\left(\partial_b g_{ic}+\partial_c g_{bi}-\partial_i g_{bc}\right)$$so in this case$$\Gamma^\tau_{\tau\tau}=\frac 12g^{\tau i}\left(\partial_\tau g_{i\tau}+\partial_\tau g_{\tau i}-\partial_ig_{\tau\tau}\right)$$I think that the metric is diagonal, so the only non-zero ##g^{\tau i}## is the ##i=\tau## one. But since ##g_{\tau\tau}## has no explicit dependence on ##\tau## then the Christoffel symbol is indeed zero.
 

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