Calcing length of object using trig

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The discussion revolves around calculating the dimensions of the Freedom Arches at Nathan Phillips Square using trigonometry and measurements from Google Earth. Participants explore methods for estimating the length of the arches based on pixel measurements and distances, while addressing challenges related to determining angles and using known reference objects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to estimate the length of the arches using trigonometric calculations based on a distance of 456 feet and pixel measurements from Google Earth.
  • Another participant notes the lack of a scale or legend in Google Earth, which complicates the measurement process.
  • There is a discussion about using the tangent function to relate height and base length, but uncertainty remains about how to determine the necessary angle.
  • One participant suggests using the Ruler tool in Google Earth to measure the distance between the ends of the arches, though this does not account for the actual arc length.
  • A later reply emphasizes the difficulty in calculating the angle due to the unknown focal length of the lens used in the image, which affects the perceived size of the arches.
  • Participants mention the need for a known reference object nearby to make reliable comparisons, with the Skydome suggested as a potential reference.
  • One participant estimates the length of the arches to be around 114 feet, aligning with other approximate measurements they found.
  • Another participant shares a visual representation of their measurements, though they acknowledge the inaccuracy of their method.

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Participants express uncertainty about the ability to calculate the length of the arches without additional information, particularly regarding the angle. There is no consensus on a definitive method to achieve the calculation, and multiple viewpoints on the challenges involved are presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the unknown angle and focal length, as well as the potential inaccuracies in measurements from Google Earth. The discussion highlights the challenges of estimating dimensions from digital maps without clear reference points.

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I've been asked by a friend edting a textbook to find the exact dimensions of the Freedom Arches at Nathan Phillips Square. (N43 39'08.23" W79 22'59.63").

I've looked everywhere online and haven't found it. But I'm trying to estimate it from a Google map.

Google Earth shows them to be 300 pixels long at a distance of 456ft. I should be able to calculate that dimension in feet using trig - but for the life of me, I can't figure out how.

I realize that, if I can fond an object of known length on thje map, I'm home free, but that's fraught with pitfalls and is not the only way I should be able to do it.

If I'm trying to calc the height of a triangle, and I know the base length, all I need is the angle. How do I figure out the angle here?
 
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I guess the one thing Google Earth does not have is a legend, showing linear feet on the map!

Linear feet?

tan(angle) = height/base
 
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neutrino said:
Linear feet?
Well, you know what I mean.

neutrino said:
tan(angle) = height/base
n'K, I know the formula.

Height is the result I want (thus is an unknown).
But I can't figure out how I'd know the angle.
 
Am I missing something?...you should be able to calculate the length using the Ruler, although it shows only the length between the ends of the arches and not the actual (arc)length. But you may be able to calculate the length of arch itself once you know the base length and equation of the arc(h). :biggrin:
 
neutrino said:
Am I missing something?...you should be able to calculate the length using the Ruler, although it shows only the length between the ends of the arches and not the actual (arc)length. But you may be able to calculate the length of arch itself once you know the base length and equation of the arc(h). :biggrin:
No, I'm missing something. That's why I'm asking.


All I'm trying to figure out is, if I'm 456ft away from it, and I want to know how long it is in feet...


No, the more I think about it, the more I realize it can't be done. I don't have enough information.

I can't calc the angle. The angle is determined by the focal length of the lens, which I don't know (think about it: at a given altitude of 456ft, a fisheye lens should show the arches at a very different angular size than a telephoto. I'd have no way to determine that angle without knowing that).


The only way I can do this is to find a known quantity on the map, and measure its length in pixels, then compare that to the arches.

And it has to be something very nearby, or I can't trust the numbers (changes in altitude, mapping session, etc)

The Skydome has units I can locate, and it is in the same frame and at the same altitude.

My calcs put the arches at 114ft long. (This jives with another stat I read somewhere, saying that the pool is approx. (approx!) 100x200ft.)
 
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I'd say you're pretty accurate. :) http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i276/navneeth/arches.jpg .Of course, as you can see, I just joined two points somewhere around the end of the arches, and it is not accurate. If you're using Google Earth you should be able to activate the scale from Tools->Options and use the Ruler (look at the button in the toolbar).
 
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