Calculate grad(\Phi) in r & r

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The discussion revolves around calculating the gradient of the scalar function \(\Phi = \frac{1}{r^3}\), where \(r\) is defined as the magnitude of the vector \(r = xi + yj + zk\). Participants are exploring the mathematical reasoning behind the gradient operation in this context.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the gradient using partial derivatives and expresses concern about the correctness of their solution. Some participants suggest alternative methods, such as using spherical polar coordinates, to arrive at the same result. Others question the definition of the unit vector \(r\) and clarify the distinction between the vector \(r\) and its unit vector form.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach and suggesting alternative perspectives. There is acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings regarding the unit vector, but no explicit consensus has been reached on the correctness of the original solution.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of vectors and unit vectors in the context of the problem, which may influence their interpretations and approaches to the gradient calculation.

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Homework Statement



Calculate grad(\Phi) in terms of r and r, where \Phi=\frac{1}{r^{3}}

r= xi + yj + zk
r = magnitude (r)

The r cubed term is scalar by the way, it comes out looking bold for some reason.

The Attempt at a Solution



\Phi = ( \sqrt{x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2}} )^{-3} = (x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2})^{\frac{-3}{2}}

grad\Phi = \frac{\partial \Phi}{\partial x}i + \frac{\partial \Phi}{\partial y}j + \frac{\partial \Phi}{\partial z}k

\frac{\partial \Phi}{\partial x} \Rightarrow let (x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2}) = u

\frac{\partial \Phi}{\partial u} = \frac{-3}{2}u^{\frac{-5}{2}}

\frac{\partial u}{\partial x} = 2x

\frac{\partial \Phi}{\partial x} = 2x(\frac{-3}{2}u^{\frac{-5}{2}})

= -3x((x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2}))^{\frac{-5}{2}} = -3x( \frac{1}{r^{5}} )

differentials with respect to y and z will be identical except swapping -3x for -3y and -3z.

These will be the terms for i j and k

Giving a final answer of

-\frac{3}{r^{5}} (r).EDIT (again the r^5 term is the magnitude not the vector)

Is this the correct solution? can anybody help?
 
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Looks fine to me.

Another way to go about this problem is to use the formula for grad in spherical polar coordinates (see http://www.mas.ncl.ac.uk/~nas13/mas2104/handout5.pdf .pdf for example). In this case, it will reduce to \nabla\left(\frac{1}{r^3}\right)=\hat{\bold{r}}\frac{\partial}{\partial r}(r^{-3})=\hat{\bold{r}}\cdot\frac{-3}{r^4} which is the same result.
 
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r= \sqrt{x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2}}

you will need to rethink your unit vector r.
 
Thank you very much

EDIT: what do you mean phrak? i used the equation you give for the magnitude of r, and it is not a unit vector in my question.
 
Phrak said:
r= \sqrt{x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2}}

you will need to rethink your unit vector r.

His r isn't a unit vector, it is \bold{r}=(x,y,z). The unit vector, which I denoted with a hat, is then \hat{\bold{r}}=\frac{\bold{r}}{r}
 
Thanks, Cristo. my bad. I didn't read far enough.
 

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