Calculate Normal Force in Mass M & m Slope System with no Friction

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The discussion focuses on calculating the normal force between two masses, M and m, on a frictionless slope inclined at an angle x, while the slope accelerates to the right at a constant acceleration a_0. The participants emphasize the necessity of incorporating a fictitious force due to the non-inertial frame of reference, which is represented as -ma_0 acting opposite to the slope's acceleration. The correct approach involves drawing a free body diagram (FBD) to visualize all forces, including gravitational force and the normal reaction force, and resolving the fictitious force into its components along the chosen axes.

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We have a slope, with mass M, at x degrees. Mass m is on the slope. The slope moves right at constant acceleration a_0. There is no friction between M and m, and no friction between M and ground.

Determine the Normal Force between M and m.

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I'm a bit confused with this because the slope is moving.
I would just think the answer would be N = mgcosx.
But since the slope is moving, I have to take into consideration a_0 but I don't know how to.

Can someone please help?
Thanks!
 
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Hint: Use Pseudo force

Edit: For using Pseudo(fictitious) force, you have acc. of incline

These forces come into action when you need to apply Newton's laws in non inertial frame(i.e. a is not 0 of frame)

In this case it will be -mao, where - sign indiate that its direction is opposite to ao
 
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hi mystmyst! :smile:
mystmyst said:
I'm a bit confused with this because the slope is moving.
I would just think the answer would be N = mgcosx.
But since the slope is moving, I have to take into consideration a_0 but I don't know how to.

well, you know from the question that a fictitious force is involved …

what is that fictitious force in this case?

draw it on the free body diagram, and proceed as normal …

fictitious forces go on the fbd just like ordinary forces … that's the point! :biggrin:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi mystmyst! :smile:


well, you know from the question that a fictitious force is involved …

what is that fictitious force in this case?

draw it on the free body diagram, and proceed as normal …

fictitious forces go on the fbd just like ordinary forces … that's the point! :biggrin:

The fictitious force is a_0 but I don't know how to draw it on a fbd. Am I supposed to split it into x and y coordinates (I'm using the slope as the x-axis...)
 
as the acceleration of incline is along +X ... so this fictitious force will be along -X

as i told you ...


cupid.callin said:
In this case it will be -mao, where - sign indiate that its direction is opposite to ao
 
write all other forces like gravity, normal rxn.. and also include this force in your FBD
 
mystmyst said:
The fictitious force is a_0 but I don't know how to draw it on a fbd. Am I supposed to split it into x and y coordinates (I'm using the slope as the x-axis...)

a0 is horizontal, so you draw it horizontal

if you're using coordinates (you could use trig instead), then yes you'll have to split it into components along the axes you've chosen :smile:
 
Taking X along incline will be easier!
 
cupid.callin said:
Taking X along incline will be easier!

cupid.callin, he is taking X along the incline :frown:
mystmyst said:
Am I supposed to split it into x and y coordinates (I'm using the slope as the x-axis...)
 
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OH! sorry :bugeye:
 

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