Calculate Permissible Error in Pressure with F & L

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The discussion revolves around calculating the permissible error in pressure when a force is applied to a square plate. The original poster presents a scenario involving a force F and a length L, with specified percentage errors in both measurements.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the definition of "permissible error" and the implications of measuring a square versus a general quadrilateral. There are discussions on error propagation methods and the relationship between force, area, and pressure.

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Multiple approaches to calculating permissible error have been proposed, including both statistical and worst-case scenarios. Some participants have provided calculations based on different assumptions about the measurements, while others have raised questions about the correlation of errors in length measurements.

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There is an ongoing debate about the assumptions related to the shape of the plate and the correlation of errors in measurements, which may affect the calculations of permissible error in pressure.

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How to calculate the permissible error?
A force F is applied on a square plate of size L . If the percentage error in determination of L is 2% and that in F is 4% . What will be the permissible error in pressure?
 
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Malu666 said:
How to calculate the permissible error?
A force F is applied on a square plate of size L . If the percentage error in determination of L is 2% and that in F is 4% . What will be the permissible error in pressure?
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Depends on how you define "permissible".
First, you say a "square" sheet. Is it really square? You have to assume "I don't know" so the area could be that of a general quadrilateral. That requires the measurement of 4 sides plus two opposite angles: http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1322718508
Plus a 7th independent measurement is for the force F.
So, assume the error in measuring each side's length and that of each of the two angles is 2%,
if the errors are random in all 7 cases, error propagation theory says to take the square root of the sum of the squares:
error = √(6(.022) + .042) = 0.063 = 6.3%.

But there is also the "worst-case" error which you would get if all your measurements are at their respective extremes, in which case the error would be (1.02)6(1.04) - 1 = 17.1%.
 
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Thanks for the reply. Maybe you went for a higher level of explanation. I think that the question interconnects between force , area and pressure. As pressure = force/ area , can you precisely explain about the permissible error in pressure ?
 
Malu666 said:
Thanks for the reply. Maybe you went for a higher level of explanation. I think that the question interconnects between force , area and pressure. As pressure = force/ area , can you precisely explain about the permissible error in pressure ?
If the error in force is 4.0% and the error in area is 2.0%, the error in pressure is √(.0402 + .0202) = 4.4%.

But L is likely to mean length, not area, so then it'd be √(.0402 + .0202 + .0202) = 4.9%.
 
rude man said:
If the error in force is 4.0% and the error in area is 2.0%, the error in pressure is √(.0402 + .0202) = 4.4%.

But L is likely to mean length, not area, so then it'd be √(.0402 + .0202 + .0202) = 4.9%.
We are told it is square. The two length errors are correlated?
 
haruspex said:
We are told it is square. The two length errors are correlated?
Good point. So it's just √(.022 + .042).
 
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Evo said:
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OK. Sorry. I thought after I wrote that it was probably excessive. Will be more on guard henceforth.
r m
 
rude man said:
OK. Sorry. I thought after I wrote that it was probably excessive. Will be more on guard henceforth.
r m
You're cool, we're just trying to get things more even in responses, some members get turned back while some get answered.
 
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rude man said:
Good point. So it's just √(.022 + .042).
No, the answer should get bigger, not smaller.
 

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