Calculate Pressure Ratio of Helium and Argon with Equal Mass at Same Temperature

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The discussion revolves around calculating the pressure ratio of helium and argon gases in identical containers, given equal mass and temperature. The problem involves understanding the behavior of ideal gases and the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the ideal gas law and its application to the problem, questioning the relevant variables that affect pressure. There are attempts to identify constants and relationships between the gases.

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Participants have engaged in identifying relevant equations and constants, with some providing partial calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of equal mass and temperature on pressure, but no consensus has been reached on the final answer.

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Participants are navigating through the problem with varying levels of confidence in their physics knowledge, and some express uncertainty about the concepts involved. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify the problem and to derive the necessary relationships without providing direct solutions.

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Homework Statement



In 2 identical containers we have equal mass of helium and Argon at the same temperature.The ratio of the 2 pressures (pressure 1 and pressure 2) knowing that μ helium= 4 kg/kmol and μ argon= 40 kg/kmol is:
a 0.1 b 10 c 5 d 40 e 1/5

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i don't know
 
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What macroscopic equation gives the behaviour of ideal gases?
 
idk tell me
i got bad marks at physics
 
idk =?
 
pv=nrt?
i don't know man physics is not my main thing
 
pV=nRT

Correct.

Now see what is identical in both cases and hence try to see on what physical quantity does p depend.
 
p=nrt/v
?
can you please give more hints?
 
Temp is the same for both.
What else is the same?
 
R constant and T
n is the quantity
EDIT:Was joking man i know how to do it p1v=m/miu RT
 
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  • #10
Correct.
But if you read the problem CAREFULLY you will notice that there is something else constant.
 
  • #11
HAHAAHAH man now i don't understand
p1v=U x R
??
 
  • #12
Which gas has the bigger volume?
 
  • #13
grzz said:
Which gas has the bigger volume?

Argon i think.
 
  • #14
is the argon in a bigger container?
 
  • #15
grzz said:
is the argon in a bigger container?

no. what to do?
 
  • #16
Each gas in an IDENTICAL container. Hence the volume ...
 
  • #17
Ok so volume is constant.Here is what i made so far.
Find p1 and p2
P1=1/μ helium *R
P2=1/μ argon *R

and then P2/P1 = 10.

so from those answers: a) 0.1 b)10 c)5 d)40 e)1/5

the right one is b?
 
  • #18
P argon/P helium = 0.1
 
  • #19
P helium/P argon = 10
 
  • #20
grzz said:
P helium/P argon = 10

so its 10?
i did it good?
can you help me at the other problem too? :D
 
  • #21
which problem?
 
  • #22
At boiling whit 1K(kelvin) of a gas whit constant pressure the volume is 3 times bigger.The initial temperature of the gas in this process has the value:
a. 6K b 0.5 K c 10K d 100K e 500K
 
  • #23
Which equation gives the behaviour of an ideal gas?
 
  • #24
pv/t=p2v2/t2
 
  • #25
Cross out the P because it is the same on both sides.
 
  • #26
yup so v/t = v2/t2 .
What i do next?
 
  • #27
Now put in the values you know to get what you do not yet know.
 
  • #28
So T2= t1 +1k?
V2 = 3V1?
WE know that the second volume is 3x bigger then the first volume.
 
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