Calculate Probability of 1 or 2 Aces in 4 Cards

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The discussion centers on calculating the probability of drawing 1 or 2 Aces when flipping 4 cards from a standard deck. Participants explore various methods for determining these probabilities, including combinatorial approaches and sequential probability calculations. The conversation includes both theoretical considerations and practical implications for card games.

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  • One participant expresses curiosity about the probability of drawing 1 or 2 Aces from 4 cards and requests precise calculations.
  • Another participant provides rough estimates for the probabilities of drawing 1 Ace (approximately 1 in 4) and 2 Aces (approximately 1 in 40), but notes these are not exact.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether the provided estimates are rounded or exact values.
  • One participant mentions a known probability of drawing 2 Aces as 1/221 but questions how additional draws affect this calculation.
  • A detailed explanation is given regarding the sequential probability of drawing Aces and non-Aces, illustrating how to calculate the probability for different arrangements of Aces and non-Aces in the 4 cards.
  • Another participant suggests a combinatorial approach, proposing to first choose 2 Aces and then 2 non-Aces, dividing by the total combinations of 4 cards from 52.
  • A participant expresses appreciation for the detailed explanations provided in the thread.
  • One participant reflects on their past experience with poker and how studying probabilities affected their enjoyment of the game.

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Participants present multiple approaches to calculating the probabilities, and while some methods are discussed in detail, there is no consensus on a single definitive answer or method. The discussion remains open with various viewpoints on how to approach the problem.

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Some calculations rely on assumptions about card arrangements and the independence of draws, which may not be explicitly stated. The discussion includes both sequential and combinatorial methods, but participants do not resolve which method is preferable.

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ok long story short I have a card game I play with friends and there is a circumstance that happens way to often. I don't know how to calculate it so I am asking you guys...

You flip 4 cards over to start the game. Out of those 4 cards I am wondering what the probability is for 1 to be an Ace, and for 2 of them to be an Ace.

I am more curious about 1 and 2 and if that happens how many hands should go by before it happens again. If you want to do 3 and 4 that is great, but that rarely happens.

Thanks guys
 
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The chance of an ace is around 1 in 4, and the chance of 2 aces is around 1 in 40. Unless this is a homework question, that should be close enough (neither answer is exact).
 
No it is not a homework question...but I would like to be as precise as possible please...like your numbers are they estimations or did you round off?
 
Also, how would you arrive at the solution? I understand that the probability of drawing 2 Aces is 1/221 but I don't know how the two extra chances would factor into affecting the formula
 
There are 4 aces in a 52 card deck and 48 "non-aces". The probability that the first card will be an ace is 4/52. Now there are 51 cards left. The probability that the second card is NOT an ace is 48/51. The probability the third card is not an ace is 47/50 and the probability the fourth card is not is 46/59. Writing "A" for "ace" and "N" for "non-ace", the probability of ANNN (first card is an ace and the next three is not) is (4/52)(48/51)(47/50)(46/49). Now what about NANN? The probability the first card is not and ace is 48/52, the probability the second is an ace is 4/51, then not-an-ace is 47/50 and 46/49 for the third and fourth cards. That probability is (48/52)(4/51)(47/50)(46/59). It is easy to see that those are the same numbers- we just have the numbers in the numerator rearranged- and so the products are the same. That is, the probabilities of ANNN, NANN, NNAN, and NNNA are all (4/52)(48/51)(47/50)(46/49). Since there are 4 of them, the probability of a single ace in 4 cards is 4(4/52)(48/51)(47/50)(46/49).

The same kind of argument works for two aces. The probability of AANN is (4/52)(3/51)(48/50)(47/49) while there 4!/2!2!= 6 different orders. The probability of two aces is 6(4/52)(3/51)(48/50)(47/49).
 
Alternatively... first choose 2 aces (C(4,2) ways) then choose 2 non-aces (C(48,2) ways) and divide the result by C(52,4).
 
that is awesome...thank you so much
 
i used to play poker quite regularly and after reading a few books about it, the decisions that are made become quite mechanical. sort of took the fun out of the game for me.
 

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