Calculate Probability of Magnitude 1 Spin with Two Particles

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The problem involves calculating the probability of measuring a total spin magnitude of 1 for a system of two spin-1/2 particles, given their initial spin state. The context is rooted in quantum mechanics and the properties of spin states.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial interpretation of the problem, likening it to a coin toss, and question the complexity of the probability calculation. There is an exploration of expanding the spin state into basis states and the implications of singlet and triplet states on the total spin.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, attempting to clarify the normalization of the spin state and the calculation of probabilities associated with different spin configurations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the normalization process and the identification of relevant states.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring that the spin state is properly normalized, and participants express uncertainty about the total probabilities summing to one, indicating a need for further exploration of the underlying quantum mechanics principles.

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Homework Statement



Two particles with spin 1/2 and are in the spin state:

[itex]|\psi> = |\uparrow_{1}>|\downarrow_{2}>[/itex]

where [itex]|\uparrow_{1}>[/itex] is a state where particle 1 has spin up along the z-axis and
[itex]|\downarrow_{2}>[/itex] is a state where particle 2 is spin down along the z-axis.

If we measure the magnitude of the total spin of the two particles, what is the probability that the magnitude will be 1?

Homework Equations



[itex]Probability = |<n|\psi>|^{2}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I immediately thought that this problem was like a simple coin toss. 50% to get heads 50% to get tails. Since each particle has equal chance to be spin up or spin down, then the total probability of both being spin up after a measurement would be (0.5)(0.5) = 0.25 ?

This doesn't feel right to me. I feel like it should be more complicated. =/
 
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Hello.

Can you expand the state ##|\psi \rangle## in terms of basis states that have definite values of the total spin? These basis states are the "singlet" and "triplet" states.

See here and here.
 
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Hello =)

so the singlet state is
[itex]|\psi_{singlet}>= 1/(√2)(|\uparrow\downarrow> - |\downarrow\uparrow>)[/itex]

and the triplet state is

[itex]|\psi_{triplet}>= 1/(√2)(|\uparrow\downarrow> + |\downarrow\uparrow>)[/itex]

so,
[itex]|\psi> = 1/2(|\psi_{singlet}> + |\psi_{triplet}>)[/itex]

in order to get S=1, the spin state would need to be triplet. The probability would then be the square of the coefficient of the triplet state?

[itex]|1/(2\sqrt{2})|^{2} = 0.125[/itex]

this doesn't make sense though, because the total probabilities don't add up to 1...
 
QuarksAbove said:
[itex]|\psi> = 1/2(|\psi_{singlet}> + |\psi_{triplet}>)[/itex]

Make sure ##|\psi \rangle## is properly normalized.
 
Oh right, I forgot.

After normalization, [itex]|\psi> = 1/\sqrt{2}(|\uparrow\downarrow> - |\downarrow\uparrow>) +1/\sqrt{2}(|\uparrow\downarrow> + |\downarrow\uparrow>)[/itex]

leaving the probability to be in the triplet state (S=1) to be 1/2.

Thanks for your help! I think I got it!
 
That looks correct.
 

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