Calculate the entropy change of the water while it cools

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The discussion focuses on calculating the entropy change of water as it cools from 85.0°C to 20.0°C and the corresponding change in entropy of the air. The user successfully calculated the entropy change for the water, resulting in -210 J/K, but encountered difficulties with the air's entropy change. For the air, it was suggested to use the heat lost by the water to find the change in entropy, emphasizing that the latent heat of fusion was incorrectly applied. The correct approach involves calculating the heat flow from the water and dividing by the air's temperature to determine the entropy change. The total entropy change for the system can then be assessed by combining the results from both calculations.
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Homework Statement



You make tea with 0.250 Kg of 85.0 C water and let it cool to room temperature (20.0 C) before drinking it.

a)Calculate the entropy change of the water while it cools.
b)The cooling process is essentially isothermal for the air in your kitchen. Calculate the change in entropy of the air while the tea cools, assuming that all the heat lost by the water goes into the air.
c)What is the total entropy change of the system tea + air?

Homework Equations


S=Q/T
Q=mLf
S=mcwln(T2/T1)



The Attempt at a Solution


I solved part A but I'm having trouble with part b.

a) S=mcwln(T2/T1)=0.25*4190(ln(293.15/358.15))
=-210J/K

b) Since its isothermal I use the equation S=Q/T. T=20+273.15
S=Q/T=mLf/T=(0.25*3.34x10^5)/(293.15)=285 J/K

I'm not sure if what I did for part b is correct, so if someone could tell me if I'm on the right track I would appreciate it. Thanks for the help.
 
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anubis01 said:

Homework Equations


S=Q/T
Q=mLf
S=mcwln(T2/T1)

The Attempt at a Solution


I solved part A but I'm having trouble with part b.

a) S=mcwln(T2/T1)=0.25*4190(ln(293.15/358.15))
=-210J/K

b) Since its isothermal I use the equation S=Q/T. T=20+273.15
S=Q/T=mLf/T=(0.25*3.34x10^5)/(293.15)=285 J/K

I'm not sure if what I did for part b is correct, so if someone could tell me if I'm on the right track I would appreciate it. Thanks for the help.
Where do you get 3.34 x 10^5? You appear to be using the latent heat of fusion for water, which has no application here at all.

The heat flow, Qair is simply -Qwater. Work that out and divide by 293K to get the change in entropy of the air.

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