Calculate the rate of probability density's movement?

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The problem involves calculating the rate at which probability density is moving towards a barrier in the context of a finite potential well. The original poster presents a scenario where the focus is on the right-going wave while ignoring interference from the left-going wave.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of average probability density and the implications of wave directionality. Questions arise regarding the behavior of left-going waves and the assumptions about tunneling and particle movement.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts involved, with some participants questioning the assumptions about wave behavior and the averaging of probability density. Various interpretations of how to approach the problem are being considered, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may involve fixed time constraints and the need to consider both left and right-moving particles, which complicates the interpretation of probability density. The distinction between right-moving particles attempting to cross the barrier and left-moving particles is also under discussion.

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1. Homework Statement

Given the following diagram of a finite potential well, calculate the rate at which the right-going wave is bringing probability density up to the barrier. (Ignore interference with the left-going wave. ) (Hint: you can get the velocity from the energy, and the average probability density from assuming that the integral over the well must give 1, when both left and right-going parts are included.). You can think of this rate as the rate at which the particle ‘attempts’ to cross the barrier.

Homework Equations



\frac{dP}{dt} = \frac{dP}{dx} \frac{dx}{dt}

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the concession given in the question -- that we can use the average probability density to calculate the answer, \frac{dP}{dx} = \frac{1}{W+L}.

Speed is given by solving for v in E = 0.5mv^2

Thus, we should have \frac{\sqrt(2E/m)}{(W+L)}

The actual answer is \frac{\sqrt(2E/m)}{(2W)}

For this to be true, average probability would have to be estimated as \frac{dP}{dx} = \frac{1}{2W}. Why?
 
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friendbobbiny said:
You can think of this rate as the rate at which the particle ‘attempts’ to cross the barrier.
In this statement, you may ignore L and since there are two ways of waves, left and right, you just divide it as 2.
 
Daeho Ro said:
since there are two ways of waves, left and right, you just divide it as 2.

I understand why waves would travel rightwards. Why would they travel leftwards? To travel leftwards, a wave would have to first tunnel through the barrier and then tunnel back. A wave wouldn't tunnel back, because once it tunnels rightwards (ie. exits the barrier), it is unenclosed and will now move rightwards.
 
If the time is passed, then it can be correct but in this problem, I guess the time is fixed.

Addendum : The probability density what you get is averaged. So, for each point, the probability density is given by
\dfrac{dP}{dx} = \dfrac{\sqrt{2E/m}}{W}.
However, there always exist left and right moving particles for each point and as the statement says, the particle "attempts" to cross the barrier can only be the right moving particles at the boundary. The left moving particle can be thought as the bounced particles at the wall.

When the time passes, the particles only escape to the right side but the probability density will not change. Some particles can bounce again and again.
 
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