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The discussion revolves around calculating the surface area and volume of a water pipe given its dimensions and the height of water inside it. Participants explore various methods to approach the problem, including calculus and trigonometry, as well as simpler geometric methods suitable for a 9th-grade level.

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  • One participant describes the problem as a standard Calculus II problem and suggests using a coordinate system to derive the area of the water surface through integration.
  • Another participant proposes finding the angle $\theta$ in terms of the height and radius to calculate the area of the water in contact with the pipe using geometric methods.
  • Some participants express a desire for a solution that does not involve calculus or trigonometry, suggesting the use of Pythagorean theorem instead.
  • A participant outlines a method to calculate the surface area and volume using the areas of triangles and circular segments, emphasizing the need to convert cubic centimeters to liters for the volume.
  • There are repeated inquiries about the feasibility of solving the problem without advanced mathematics, indicating a preference for simpler approaches.
  • Another participant mentions the chord of a circle as a relevant concept for understanding the geometry involved.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of calculus and trigonometry for solving the problem. While some advocate for these methods, others seek alternative approaches suitable for a lower educational level. No consensus is reached on a single method to solve the problem.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity on definitions, such as the term for the shape formed by the water surface, and the assumptions underlying their proposed methods. There are also unresolved mathematical steps regarding the calculation of angles and areas.

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A water pipe whose diameter is 84 cm dan length is 2,4 m can contain rain water with the water height 68 cm like in the attached picture.
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Determine:
a. The surface area which gets contact with the water
b. The volume of the water (in liters)

So... How do I do? What is the simple way to determine the area of a... truncated circle? (dunno what the proper term is)
 

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How many boards have you posted this to? On "My Math Forum" I wrote

Looks like a pretty standard Calculus II problem. Start by drawing a cross section of the pipe on a coordinate system- a circle with center at (0, 0) and diameter 84, so radius 42, has equation [math]x^2+ y^2= 42^2[/math]. The bottom of that circle is at y= -42, the top is at y= 42. The surface of the water is a horizontal line at y= 68- 42= 26. At every y, a horizontal line intersects the circle at [math]x= \pm \sqrt{42^2- y^2}[/math] so has length [math]2\sqrt{42^2- y^2}[/math]. Taking a 'thickness' of [math]\Delta y[/math], the area of that thin horizontal strip is [math]2\sqrt{42^2- y^2}\Delta y[/math]. Adding those gives the Riemann sum, [math]\sigma 2\sqrt{42^2- y^2}\Delta y[/math], that, in the limit, is the integral for the area, [math]2\int_{-42}^{26}\sqrt{42^2- y^2}dy[/math].
 
Consider the following diagram:

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To find the sum of the shaded areas, I would begin by finding the angle $\theta$ in terms of $h$ and $r$. Can you do that?
 

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Country Boy said:
How many boards have you posted this to?
4 (MMF, MIF, MHB, and MHF).

Is there any approach without using calculus or trigonometry? This is supposed to be for 9 graders.
 
You don’t need calculus. I would use MarkFL’s approach as follows.

Find the angle $\theta$ (and make sure it’s in radians). The area of the yellow triangle in Mark’s diagram is $A_1=\frac12r^2\sin2\theta$. The area of the olive-green area below it is $A_2=\frac12r^2(2\pi-2\theta)$. So the area of the water in contact with one end of the pipe is $A=A_1+A_2$. Thus:

  • The length of the major arc of the circle enclosing the olive-green area is $s=r(2\pi-2\theta)$. Hence the total surface area of water in contact with the pipe is $\boxed{2A+sL}$ where $L=240\,\mathrm{cm}$ is the length of the pipe. The answer here is in square centimetres.

  • The volume of water is $\boxed{AL}$, which is in cubic centimetres so you’ll need to convert to litres: $1\,\mathrm{cm^3}\ =\ 0.001\,\ell$.
 
Monoxdifly said:
Is there any approach without using calculus or trigonometry? This is supposed to be for 9 graders.

We can do (a) without calculus or trigonometry.
Starting with MarkFL's picture we need to find the size at the top.
We can do that with Pythagoras can't we?
The triangle has hypotenuse $\frac 12\cdot 84 = 42\text{ cm}$ and vertical side $68 - \frac 12 \cdot 84 = 26\text{ cm}$ doesn't it?

(b) is a bit more complicated. I think we really need the angle $\theta$ in Mark's drawing.
Then we can find the fraction of a circle disk that corresponds to $360^\circ - 2\theta$.
And we can add the area of the two triangles, which we can find from the numbers we found in (a).
Multiply with the length of the cylinder and we have the volume.
 
I like Serena said:
We can do (a) without calculus or trigonometry.
Starting with MarkFL's picture we need to find the size at the top.
We can do that with Pythagoras can't we?
The triangle has hypotenuse $\frac 12\cdot 84 = 42\text{ cm}$ and vertical side $68 - \frac 12 \cdot 84 = 26\text{ cm}$ doesn't it?

But what about the surface area?
 
Monoxdifly said:
But what about the surface area?

You've got the two ends of the pipe already, and then along the pipe of length \(L\) you have:

$$r(2\pi-2\theta)L$$
 

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