Calculating Air Density and Temperature in a Hot Air Balloon

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The problem involves calculating various properties of air in a hot-air balloon, including the density of the air inside the balloon, the number of moles of air, the temperature of the air, the mean kinetic energy, and the mean velocity of the air. The context includes the balloon's volume, lift force, outside temperature, and air density.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between lift, density, and temperature, with some exploring the implications of assuming ambient pressure. There are attempts to derive the temperature of the air inside the balloon using ratios of densities and temperatures. Questions arise regarding the effects of changing density on temperature and the relationships between moles, density, and volume.

Discussion Status

Some participants express agreement with initial calculations while questioning assumptions made about pressure. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between density, temperature, and the number of moles, with participants seeking clarification on their reasoning.

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Participants are navigating assumptions regarding ambient pressure and the implications of density changes on temperature, which may affect their calculations. The discussion reflects a mix of established equations and conceptual reasoning.

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Homework Statement


A hot-air balloon has a volume of 2000 m^3 and generates a lift of 2720 N (assume the outside temperature is 20◦C with an air density of 1.2 kg/m^3).

A)What is the density of the air inside the balloon?
B)How many moles of air are inside of the balloon (the molecular mass of air is 28 g/mol)?
C) What is the temperature of the air in the balloon ?
D)What is the mean kinetic energy of the air in the balloon?
E) What is the mean velocity (not vrms, and not speed) of the air in the balloon?

Homework Equations


Fnet = Fbouyant - Fgrav
PV = nRT
P=F/A
d=m/V

The Attempt at a Solution


A) the lift is the net force on the balloon
Flift = Fbouyant - Fgrav

F_{lift} = m_{displaced}g - m_{balloon}g

where mdisplaced is the mass of the displaced air and mballoon is the mass of the air in the balloon
since denisty d = m/V then m = Vd

F_{lift} = d_{displaced}Vg - d_{balloon}Vg

\frac{F_{lift}}{Vg} = d_{displaced} - d_{balloon}

d_{balloon} = d_{displaced} - \frac{F_{lift}}{Vg}

plugging in the info from the problem

d_{balloon} = 1.2 kg/m^3 - \frac{2720 kgm/s^2}{(2000 m^3)(9.8 m/s^2)}

d_{balloon} = 1.06 kg/m^3

B) d= m/V so m = Vd
mass of air in balloon = 1.06 kg/m^3 * 2000m^3 = 2120 kg
molar mass of air is given as 28g/mol or .028kg/mol
2120 kg (mol/.028 kg) = 75714 mol of air n the balloon

C) PV = nRT
we have moles , volume and the ideal gas constant. Assuming the pressure is 1 atm we can find T
T = PV/nR = (101300 Pa)(2000m^3)/(75714mol)(8.314 J/molK) = 322 K

D) K = (3/2)kT where k is boltzmanns constant
K = 1.5 * (1.38x10^-23J/K) (322K) = 6.66 x10 ^-21 J

E) K = .5mv^2
we know the mass of air in the balloon and K of the air in the balloon. solving for v:
v^2 = 2K/m
v = sqrt(2K/m) = sqrt((2*(6.66E-21))/2120) = 2.51E-12

can anyone provide feedback to see if i solved this question correctly?
 
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I agree with A and B, but I don't think you should assume ambient pressure is 1atm in C. There is enough info provided to calculate it. E.g., from the answer to A you can quickly deduce C by considering the ratio of the densities and the ratio of the absolute temperatures. This gives a rather higher temperature.
 
so I can compare the ratios because the change in density is a result of the change in temp?
dballoon/dair = Tballoon/Tair
Tballoon = Tair(dballoon/dair) = 293K (1.06/1.2) = 259 K ?
 
toothpaste666 said:
so I can compare the ratios because the change in density is a result of the change in temp?
dballoon/dair = Tballoon/Tair
Tballoon = Tair(dballoon/dair) = 293K (1.06/1.2) = 259 K ?
Nearly right, but do you think a higher density means a higher temperature or a lower temperature?
 
the mass increases with the number of moles. the density increases with mass and decreases with volume.
n/v = P/RT
if you increase the number of moles the density increases and T must decrease. if you increase the volume the density decreases and T must increase ( does this make sense? want to be sure I am understanding)
so it would be
dballoon/dair = Tair/Tballoon
?
 
toothpaste666 said:
the mass increases with the number of moles. the density increases with mass and decreases with volume.
n/v = P/RT
if you increase the number of moles the density increases and T must decrease. if you increase the volume the density decreases and T must increase ( does this make sense? want to be sure I am understanding)
so it would be
dballoon/dair = Tair/Tballoon
?
Yes.
 
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