Calculating angular velocity of a ratatable bar in inelastic collision

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The problem involves a 1 m long rotatable bar with a mass of 2 kg, which is initially at rest and is struck by a bullet of mass 0.2 kg traveling horizontally at 1 m/s. The task is to calculate the angular velocity of the bar after an inelastic collision where the bullet lodges into the bar.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of angular momentum and the appropriate terms to include in the calculations. Questions arise regarding the definitions of variables, particularly the meaning of "R" in the context of the problem. There are attempts to clarify the moment of inertia and its application to the scenario.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided algebraic expressions and attempted calculations, with some expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their results. There is ongoing clarification regarding the components of the moment of inertia and the setup of the problem, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about the definitions of variables and the setup of the problem, particularly concerning the distance of the bullet from the pivot and the moment of inertia of the bar. There is a lack of consensus on the final calculations, but the discussion remains focused on understanding the underlying principles.

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Homework Statement



1 m long rotatable bar with a mass of 2 kg is held on vertical stick that goes through its center of gravity. A bullet with mass 0.2 kg is shot with a speed 1 m/s horizontally at the edge of the bar. After the collision the bullet lodges into the bar. Calculate the angular velocity of the bar after the collision, if the bar was at rest at the beginning?

Homework Equations



Conservation of the angular moment

The Attempt at a Solution



mRv= (MR + mR + I) ω

ω= mRv / (MR² + mR² + MR²/12)
ω= mv / (MR + mR + MR/12)
ω= 0.17 m/s

Are my calculations correct?
 
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mmoadi said:
ω= mRv / (MR² + mR² + MR²/12)
ω= 0.17 m/s
Are my calculations correct?[/SUB]
Why are there three terms in the denominator? You are calculating angular momentum about the pivot which is also the CM of the rod. In the denominator you need only two terms, the angular momentum of the rod about the pivot (or its CM) and the angular momentum of the bullet about the pivot. Is "R" the length of the rod or is it the distance of the bullet from the pivot?
 
mRv= (mR + I) ω

ω= mRv / (mR² + MR²/12)
ω= 0.19 m/s[/color]

"R" is half the length of the rod, in other words the distance of the bullet from the pivot.

Are now my calculations correct?
 
The moment of inertia of a rod of mass M and total length L about its mid point is

[tex]I=\frac{1}{12}ML^2[/tex]

what should the formula look like if you used R instead of L?
 
kuruman said:
The moment of inertia of a rod of mass M and total length L about its mid point is

[tex]I=\frac{1}{12}ML^2[/tex]

what should the formula look like if you used R instead of L?

I think it should be like this ω= mRv / (mR² + M(2R)²/12)?

And the answer is now:

ω= 12 m/s[/color]
 
I didn't put in the numbers, but the algebraic expression you have is correct.
 
Thank you very much!
 

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