Calculating Area from Differentials

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The discussion revolves around calculating the area of a geometric shape using differentials, specifically addressing a problem set question involving a rectangle and a semicircle. Participants explore the application of differential calculus to derive the area and assess the percent error in their calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an area formula combining a rectangle and a semicircle, expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations.
  • Another participant suggests the need for parentheses in the area function and provides a corrected formula for the area.
  • Subsequent replies discuss the use of differentials to approximate the percent error in the area calculation, with one participant providing a specific formula for this purpose.
  • There is a computational disagreement regarding the percent error, with one participant suggesting a result of approximately 6.94%, while another claims the correct result is 1.25% based on their calculations.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of the area calculations and the resulting percent error, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the final numerical results.

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There are potential limitations in the assumptions made about the area function and the application of differentials, as well as unresolved computational steps that may affect the final results.

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Hey guys,

I need some more help for this problem set I've been working on. I'm doubting some of my answers and I'd appreciate some help.

This is only for question 2. Ignore 1.
Question:
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Alright, so from drawing a diagram, we know that width is "L" and length is "3L." Moreover, the area of the circle uses 1/2 * L for the radius.

Thus,
A = 3L^2 + $\pi$.5L^2 / 2

Thus, using differentials, we know that:
f(a+$\Delta$x) = f(a) + $\Delta$y
And
$\Delta$y = f'(x) $\Delta$x

From substituting $\Delta$y into the other equation, we get:

f(8.05) = 200.99734.
Thus,
A(8.05) = 200.99734 cm^2

For the percent error, it should be $/delta$A / A * 100 = 1.37%.

I'm not too sure about my answer though, particularly the area I calculated via differentials. What do you guys think?
Thanks in advance.
 
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Hi, ardentmed

Thankyou so much for sharing your problem with us at the MHB:)

First, the way you use the differentials is in principle OK, but I cannot
from the explicit area function see if you have stated it right. Parentheses are needed:

\[A(L) = 3L^2+\frac{1}{2}\pi \left ( \frac{L}{2}\right )^2=3L^2+\frac{1}{8}\pi L^2= \left ( 3+\frac{\pi }{8} \right )L^2\]

Do you agree so far?
 
lfdahl said:
Hi, ardentmed

Thankyou so much for sharing your problem with us at the MHB:)

First, the way you use the differentials is in principle OK, but I cannot
from the explicit area function see if you have stated it right. Parentheses are needed:

\[A(L) = 3L^2+\frac{1}{2}\pi \left ( \frac{L}{2}\right )^2=3L^2+\frac{1}{8}\pi L^2= \left ( 3+\frac{\pi }{8} \right )L^2\]

Do you agree so far?

Thank you for being so helpful.

Yes, that seems correct. Then how would I proceed with this question?
 
Next step would be to use the formula you have derived by means of differentials:

$\frac{\Delta A}{A(L)}\approx\frac{A'(L) \cdot \Delta L}{A(L)}\cdot 100 \%$

So you need to determine the derivative of $A$.
 
lfdahl said:
Next step would be to use the formula you have derived by means of differentials:

$\frac{\Delta A}{A(L)}\approx\frac{A'(L) \cdot \Delta L}{A(L)}\cdot 100 \%$

So you need to determine the derivative of $A$.

Alright, so I used the following formula:

$\frac{\Delta A}{A(L)}\approx\frac{A'(L) \cdot \Delta L}{A(L)}\cdot 100 \%$

And substituted 8 for L, and used A(L)= 3L^2 + (1/8)$\pi$ L^2

and

A'(L)= 6L + (1/4)$\pi$L

And ultimately computed the following:

$\frac{\Delta A}{A(L)}\approx\frac{A'(L) \cdot \Delta L}{A(L)}\cdot 100 \%$
=0.694489677 * 100

~ 6.94%.

Is that correct?

Thanks again for the help.
 
ardentmed said:
Alright, so I used the following formula:

$\frac{\Delta A}{A(L)}\approx\frac{A'(L) \cdot \Delta L}{A(L)}\cdot 100 \%$

And substituted 8 for L, and used A(L)= 3L^2 + (1/8)$\pi$ L^2

and

A'(L)= 6L + (1/4)$\pi$L

And ultimately computed the following:

$\frac{\Delta A}{A(L)}\approx\frac{A'(L) \cdot \Delta L}{A(L)}\cdot 100 \%$
=0.694489677 * 100

~ 6.94%.

Is that correct?

Thanks again for the help.

Hi, again.

Your procedure is perfectly right. Good job! But I think you´ve made a computational error. I get: $1.25 \%$

The computation can be made quite simple, if you let $k = 3+ \frac{\pi}{8}$.

Then: $A(L) = kL^2$ and $A'(L) = 2kL$

and $\frac{A'(L)\Delta L}{A(L)}=\frac{2kL \Delta L}{kL^2}=\frac{2 \Delta L}{L}=\frac{2\cdot0.05}{8}= 0.0125=1.25 \%$
 
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