Calculating Ball Speed for Vertical Ascent

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The problem involves calculating the initial speed required for a ball to reach a height of 85.0 ft when thrown vertically upward, while neglecting air resistance. The discussion revolves around the application of kinematic equations and the understanding of motion under constant acceleration due to gravity.

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  • Participants discuss the need for appropriate kinematic equations to relate distance, time, and acceleration. There are attempts to derive time and initial velocity from the given height and acceleration due to gravity. Questions arise regarding the correct application of formulas and the signs of velocity and acceleration.

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The discussion is active with participants exploring various kinematic equations and their applicability to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of specific equations, and there is an acknowledgment of the need to consider the direction of acceleration and velocity.

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Participants note the challenge of deriving time without knowing the initial velocity and the implications of using different kinematic equations. The problem is framed within the context of homework constraints, emphasizing the need for clarity in understanding motion under constant acceleration.

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Homework Statement


With what speed (in feet/second) must a ball be thrown vertically upward in order to rise to a height of 85.0 ft, neglecting air resistance?


Homework Equations


g=9.8 m/(s^2)
speed=distance/Δt

The Attempt at a Solution


I started off by setting speed=85.0ft/Δt
I understand I need to find the time duration.
I converted 85 ft to 25.908m.
Now I was thinking of multiplying 9.8 m/(s^2) by (1/25.908m) but that leaves me with seconds squared.

Am I missing a general formula for this problem? It seems like I don't have enough information at this point.

Thank you to anyone who can offer me any suggestions.
 
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You need the equations for uniform accelerated motion.
speed=distance/t works only for uniform motion, motion with constant speed.
 
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So if i were to use a kinematic equation such as X(f)=V(ave)t+x(i) to find t how can I solve for t without knowing the velocity?
 
Try one of the SUVAT equations for motion subject to constant acceleration..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equations_of_motion#SUVAT_equations

When I was at school it was worth memorising them as they help with all sorts of problems of this general type. Some 35 years later I can still remember equations 1,2 and 4.
 
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You cannot.

But there is another kinematic equation.
 
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X(f)=X(i)+V(i)t+(1/2)a(t^2)
Im going to say this one with initial velocity set to 0 because in this problem that is the case.
 
Figured it out. Used the kinematic equation above and set a=9.8m/s^2 thank you.
 
B18 said:
X(f)=X(i)+V(i)t+(1/2)a(t^2)
Im going to say this one with initial velocity set to 0 because in this problem that is the case.

just for completness.. The final velocity will be zero not the initial velocity.
 
So to ensure I understand this.. How does this look CWatters
Can I use V(f)^2=V(i)^2+2a(Xf-Xi)
solve for V(i)^2
V(i)^2=0-2(-9.8)(25.91)=22.54m/s
So in this problem a would be equal to -9.8 not positive??
 
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Yes. The initial velocity is in the opposite direction to the acceleration due to gravity - so velocity and acceleration will have different signs.
 

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