Calculating Carbon Dioxide Levels in 19th Century Air

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The discussion revolves around the historical measurement of carbon dioxide (CO2) levels in the air during the 19th century, focusing on the methods used for drying air samples and the potential errors introduced by CO2 solubility in sulfuric acid (H2SO4). Participants explore the implications of these methods on the accuracy of CO2 measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that drying air samples using sulfuric acid may lead to CO2 dissolving in the acid, potentially introducing measurement errors.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of measuring the volume of the air sample and the volume of acid used to understand the solubility of CO2.
  • A participant proposes a scenario involving the pumping of air through acid, questioning how to determine the remaining CO2 partial pressure after the process.
  • Further elaboration on the previous point includes a distinction between equilibrating moles of air over time versus all at once, suggesting that this affects the significance of the CO2 difference.
  • One participant suggests that literature may contain measurements of CO2 solubility in H2SO4, indicating that such data could help clarify the issue.
  • Another participant proposes a practical method to estimate CO2 solubility by measuring the evolved gas volume from a reaction involving baking soda and sulfuric acid, noting that discrepancies from theoretical values could indicate the need for further investigation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the methods and implications of CO2 measurement, with no consensus reached on the significance of the solubility effects or the best approach to estimate CO2 levels.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of measuring CO2 solubility and the potential for historical literature to provide insights, but there are unresolved questions regarding the specific methodologies and their accuracy.

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In the good old days of the 19th century, carbon dioxide levels of the air were measured in various chemical ways. Several methods required drying of the air first. This could be accomplished by leading the air through sulphur acid (H2SO4). However it appears that CO2 also dissolves partly in that process.

Now, I'm sure that there are methods of estimating the amount of CO2 that dissolves this way and consequently, the magnitude of the induced error, something with a Bunsen adsorption coefficients. But I'm afraid I did not pay enough attention in high school, some millenium or so ago.

Anybody, who can help me out?
 
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Everything is soluble in everything else. How soluble? You're stuck with measuring. Volume of air sample? Volume of acid used to dry the air sample? Did they just pump air through the acid until it reached steady state with the exception of water loss?
 
Well let's say that they pumped N moles or air through a volume V of acid with an initial CO2 partial pressure of p1 at a termperature T and a total pressure P. What would be the remaining CO2 partial pressure p2? Would the difference between p1 and p2 be significant or negliglible?
 
Andre said:
Well let's say that they pumped N moles or air through a volume V of acid with an initial CO2 partial pressure of p1 at a termperature T and a total pressure P. What would be the remaining CO2 partial pressure p2? Would the difference between p1 and p2 be significant or negliglible?

Still not constrained: are you equilibrating "dN" at a time with "V," or "N" all at once with "V?" You see the difference? First case, you can take the tag end of "N" for analysis, and the difference can be driven to a limit of 0 regardless of solubility; second case, the difference is a function of only the solubility.

Measurements on CO2 solubility in H2SO4? Gotta be in the literature somewhere --- sort of thing people would have done between the wars. Finding it? CA wasn't indexing "systems: x + y" in those days --- going to be a little tough. Significant? No --- there'd be a ton of information on how to control it for all the industrial applications.

Quick means to estimate? Measured amount of baking soda in measured amount of (dilute --- let's do worst case) sulfuric acid, and measure the evolved gas volume --- it comes up more than 10% less than theoretical, we're going to have to look a little more closely.
 

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