Calculating Center of Mass Speed in a Colliding System

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The problem involves a collision between a loaded coal car and an empty coal car, focusing on calculating the speed of the center of mass of the system throughout the process. The subject area pertains to mechanics, specifically momentum and center of mass concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between momentum and the center of mass, with some suggesting that the velocity of the center of mass remains constant throughout the collision. Others express uncertainty regarding the direction of motion and the relevance of initial conditions.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the problem, with some participants offering insights on using momentum conservation to find the center of mass speed. There is acknowledgment of the importance of understanding the center of mass's behavior during the collision, but no consensus has been reached on specific methods or equations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the lack of information regarding the direction of the moving coal car and the distance it traveled, which may affect their understanding of the problem. The original poster also mentions previous parts of the problem that have been solved, which may influence their approach to part c.

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Homework Statement

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A loaded coal car with a mass of 120 metric tons traveling at 2 m/s collides and couples with an empty, stationary coal car with a mass of 8 metric tons. (1 metric ton = 103 kg)

(c) What is the speed of the center of mass of the system of two cars throughout the process?

Homework Equations



I am not sure of any relevant equations for part c but I know that M1r1=M2r2 deals with center of mass systems.

The Attempt at a Solution


I already solved parts a and b which are about final speed of two cars, and change in kinetic energy respectively.Thanks for the help
 
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The total momentum of the system tends to be the momentum of the center of mass. Using that, just find the velocity of the center of mass. The velocity of the center of mass should technically remain the same throughout the entire process (before and after collision).
 
internal forces can't change the velocity or position of center of mass.
 
… just use ordinary geometry …

sealedhuman77 said:
(c) What is the speed of the center of mass of the system of two cars throughout the process?

I am not sure of any relevant equations for part c but I know that M1r1=M2r2 deals with center of mass systems.

ok - so you know where the center of mass is (before the collision)!

Just use ordinary geometry to work out how fast it is moving! :smile:
 
I still don't understand the problem. I know that the moving coal car is moving at 2m/s and it hits the stationary coal car. But the problem does not specify which direction the moving coal car is coming from or how far it is initially.

I don't know if I could use the final velocity of the two coupled cars or the change in kinetic energy to help find part c.
 
You don't know to know which direction the moving coal car is heading; the direction is arbitrary here. You don't need to know how far the coal car moved, either, this is a momentum problem, so use conservation of momentum.
 
Ok, I got it now. I realized that the speed of the center of mass was the same as the final velocity of the two cars, which happened to be the same answer to part a. Thanks for the help.
 

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