Calculating Correlation of Composite Operators

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of correlation functions of composite operators in quantum field theory. Participants explore the implications of setting points equal during calculations and the resulting ambiguities, particularly in the context of operator ordering and divergences.

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  • One participant questions why correlation functions can’t be calculated by setting points equal at the end of the calculation, suggesting that the result appears to be a simple function of the coordinates.
  • Another participant explains that the ambiguity arises from the non-commuting nature of creation and annihilation operators in quantum mechanics, necessitating a prescription for handling limits, such as normal ordering.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the functional integral approach, arguing that it avoids the complications of operator ordering.
  • Another participant notes that both the functional integral and operator approaches lead to divergences, either in coordinate space or momentum space, and emphasizes that operator products are generally expected to diverge at the same spacetime point.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of setting points equal in correlation function calculations, with some emphasizing the complications introduced by operator ordering and divergences. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these approaches.

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Participants mention the need for specific prescriptions when dealing with quantum operators, the potential divergences in calculations, and the distinction between operator and functional integral approaches. These factors contribute to the complexity of the discussion.

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I have probably a silly question about correlation functions of composite operators. Why can't you just calculate a correlator with fields at different points x1, x2, x3, ... and then set a couple of the points equal at the end of the calculation to get the result?

e.g.,
[tex]\langle 0 T\phi(x_1)\phi(x_2)... 0\rangle[/tex]

and to have a phi^2 composite operators just set x1 equal to x2 at the end of the calculation?

When you calculate [tex]\langle 0 T\phi(x)\phi(y)... 0\rangle[/tex] perturbatively at least, it seems the result is a fairly simple function of x and y. You'll get something like:

constant*eikx*eiqy

where k and q are integrated over. So just set x=y above?
 
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The problem is that when you are dealing with quantum operators, the ordering as y -> x becomes ambiguous. In your "constant," you have creation and annihilation operators which do not commute in the limit, and you need a prescription for dealing with them. It turns out that the normal ordering prescription is an unambiguous way to take the limit:

[tex] :\phi(x)^2: = lim_{x \rightarrow y} \{ \phi(x) \phi(y) - \langle \phi(x) \phi(y) \rangle \} [/tex]
 
king vitamin said:
The problem is that when you are dealing with quantum operators, the ordering as y -> x becomes ambiguous. In your "constant," you have creation and annihilation operators which do not commute in the limit, and you need a prescription for dealing with them. It turns out that the normal ordering prescription is an unambiguous way to take the limit:
[tex] :\phi(x)^2: = lim_{x \rightarrow y} \{ \phi(x) \phi(y) - \langle \phi(x) \phi(y) \rangle \} [/tex]
I was thinking in terms of a functional integral approach rather than an operator approach, so I wouldn't have to worry about operators and commuting.

But in terms of the operator approach, I've seen people try this:

[tex]<T\phi(x+\epsilon)\phi(x-\epsilon)>[/tex]

so by arbitrary choice, the first phi is set at a later time. Then the limit ε is taken zero.

Are correlators of noncomposite operators analytic in the coordinates? It's just weird that you can't set two of the coordinates equal at the end of the calculation.
 
Well the functional integral is equivalent to a quantum time-ordered operator. In either case, you're going to get some divergence, either in coordinate space from x=y, or in momentum space from a UV divergent momentum integral.

I think your intuition isn't right - in general one expects operator products to be divergent at the same space-time point, and this is why loops diverge (the integration diverges where the operators overlap). Recall that time-ordered correlators can be decomposed into propagators by Wick's theorem, and propagators are Green's functions of the Klein-Gordon equation. Such functions are clearly divergent at small distances (though maybe not in d=1?).
 

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