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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression (cos(h) - 1) / h as h approaches 0, with specific values of h provided for calculation. The subject area includes calculus, specifically focusing on limits and derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the expression, questioning whether it is (cos(h) - 1) / h or another variation. There is also a focus on the correct mode (degrees vs. radians) for calculations and the relationship to derivatives.

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Participants are actively clarifying the expression and its implications, with some suggesting that the original poster's calculations should converge to zero. There is no explicit consensus yet, but various interpretations and assumptions are being explored.

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There is confusion regarding the correct interpretation of the expression due to the lack of parentheses, which affects the clarity of the function being evaluated. Additionally, the original poster mentions discrepancies in calculator results, indicating potential issues with input or understanding of the limit process.

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Homework Statement



Use a calculator to evaluate the quantity (cosh-1) / h for h = 0.1, 0.01, 0.001, and 0.0001.
Estimate the value of the limit of h -> 0 of (cos h -1) / h


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okay so at 0.1 it is 1.523 x 10^-5 and it goes on like that
I'm in Degree mode but I don't think it'll matter.
I know the derivative of cosx is -Sinx but for some reason when I plug the numbers in, they don't match. Please help!
 
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Is your function [cos(h-1)]/h? If you don't use parentheses properly, cos h can be confused with the hyperbolic cosine (cosh).

And yes, if it is [cos (h-1)]/h, you probably should be using radians instead of degrees for your calculations, particularly when evaluating limits.
 
SteamKing said:
Is your function [cos(h-1)]/h? If you don't use parentheses properly, cos h can be confused with the hyperbolic cosine (cosh).

And yes, if it is [cos (h-1)]/h, you probably should be using radians instead of degrees for your calculations, particularly when evaluating limits.


I think it's cos(h-1) the question has it written the way I wrote it. H is the same as ΔX because it is a limit. Okay, but is my assumption that the value should be equivalent to sin correct?
 
physphys said:

Homework Statement



Use a calculator to evaluate the quantity (cosh-1) / h for h = 0.1, 0.01, 0.001, and 0.0001.
Estimate the value of the limit of h -> 0 of (cos h -1) / h


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


okay so at 0.1 it is 1.523 x 10^-5 and it goes on like that
I'm in Degree mode but I don't think it'll matter.
I know the derivative of cosx is -Sinx but for some reason when I plug the numbers in, they don't match. Please help!

Do you mean
\frac{\cosh(-1)}{h},\\<br /> \cosh\left(\frac{-1}{h}\right),\\<br /> \frac{\cos(h-1)}{h}, \text{ or}\\<br /> \cos \left( \frac{h-1}{h}\right)?
What you wrote is most consistent with the *first* interpretation, but the others can also be inferred reasonably. Obviously, you need to use parentheses, like this: cosh(-1)/h or cosh(-1/h) or cos(h-1)/h or cos[(h-1)/h].
 
Based on what the OP is tasked with doing, I'm guessing the correct interpretation is

$$\frac{cos(h)-1}{h},$$
which appears in the calculation of the derivative of ##\sin(x)##.
 
Mute said:
Based on what the OP is tasked with doing, I'm guessing the correct interpretation is

$$\frac{cos(h)-1}{h},$$
which appears in the calculation of the derivative of ##\sin(x)##.

yes that's what I meant, $$\frac{cos(h)-1}{h},$$
I know that it is in fact the derivative of sinx but when I input the values it tells me in the calculator I'm not getting the same.
 
physphys said:
yes that's what I meant, $$\frac{cos(h)-1}{h},$$
I know that it is in fact the derivative of sinx but when I input the values it tells me in the calculator I'm not getting the same.

No, it's not the derivative of sin(x), it's a difference quotient for the derivative of cos(x) at x=0. What does your calculator tell you?
 
physphys said:
yes that's what I meant, $$\frac{cos(h)-1}{h},$$
I know that it is in fact the derivative of sinx but when I input the values it tells me in the calculator I'm not getting the same.

Of course, this is just part of the calculation for the derivative of sin(x). Your original post looks like it shows that this fraction goes to zero. That's what it should do. What about the rest of the calculation?
 

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