Calculating current in a loop, given torque and magn. field

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a rectangular loop carrying current in a uniform magnetic field, with the objective of calculating the current based on given torque and magnetic field strength. The loop's dimensions can vary, affecting the torque experienced by the loop.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between torque, current, and the dimensions of the loop, questioning how to determine the area based on the loop's perimeter and varying dimensions. There is uncertainty about the correct equation to use and the implications of the angle theta in the torque equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have explored the implications of the loop's perimeter and its maximum area, while others have suggested that the angle theta can be interpreted as zero, simplifying the equation. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the approach to the problem, with no explicit consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

The problem context includes constraints related to the loop's dimensions and the total length of the wire, which remains constant. Participants are also navigating the challenges posed by the summer course's accelerated pace.

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Homework Statement



In the figure below, a rectangular loop carrying current lies in the plane of a uniform magnetic field of magnitude 0.038 T. The loop consists of a single turn of flexible conducting wire that is wrapped around a flexible mount such that the dimensions of the rectangle can be changed. (The total length of the wire is not changed.) As edge length x is varied from approximately zero to its maximum value of approximately 3.4 cm, the magnitude τ of the torque on the loop changes. The maximum value of τ is 4.4 x 10^-8 N·m. What is the current in the loop?

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Homework Equations



Torque(t)=NiABcos(theta) ------> i = t/(NABcos(theta))

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried solving it using the variation of the above equation, using 4.4e-8 for torque, 1 for N, 0.038 for B, and 0 for theta, but that leaves me without a number for area and the unused length value stated in the problem. If I use the equation i = F/(LB), that leaves an unknown value for Force. It seems like a simple plug and chug problem but I'm not sure what the equation to use is. (I'm also taking this as a summer course so my professor is forced to race through all of the material.)
 
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RKOwens4 said:
As edge length x is varied from approximately zero to its maximum value of approximately 3.4 cm...

Does this not help you determine the loop perimeter? Assume full range of possible rectangle shapes is allowed by the flexible mount.
 
lewando said:
Does this not help you determine the loop perimeter? Assume full range of possible rectangle shapes is allowed by the flexible mount.

It tells me that the length of the length of the wire (or, loop perimeter) is 6.8cm. I'm sure I could use that as a circumference to find the radius if it were a perfect circle (and hence, the area), but how do I know which shape to use? "Max value of torque" tells me that (if I'm supposed to be using the equation I stated in the opening post) that A should therefore be at a maximum. Hm, which produces the largest area: perfect square or perfect circle?

Also, am I working with the correct equation? And if so, what do I do about that cos(theta)?
 
Ok, I just did a quick test and found that a perfect square gives the max area. But still, I'm not sure what to do with cos(theta).
 
Well I finally figured it out! You just ignore cos(theta) so it becomes i=t/(NAB). Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
 
Good work by you! Better to not ignore cos(theta), but to read "theta = 0", from the problem. The B field lines and a line normal to the plane of the loop are going in the same direction.
 

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