Calculating displacement current and magnetic field.

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The problem involves a capacitor with two circular plates in free space, where the separation between the plates varies with time while maintaining a constant potential difference. The task is to calculate the displacement current density and the magnetic field between the plates, given the time-dependent separation function.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the electric field and the potential difference, questioning whether the charge on the capacitor is constant given that the potential difference is maintained. There are attempts to relate the electric field to the displacement current and to clarify the implications of the varying separation on the charge and electric field.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the implications of the problem setup, with some providing guidance on relating the electric field to the potential difference. There is recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between charge, capacitance, and the constant potential difference, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

There is a discussion about the potential confusion arising from the condition that the potential difference remains constant while the separation varies, leading to questions about the nature of the charge on the capacitor and its implications for the displacement current.

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1. The problem statement,

A capacitor is there in free space consisting of 2 circular plates of radius ##r## separated by a distance ##z## which is a function of time. ##z(t) = z_0 + z_1 cos (\omega t)##; ##z_0(<<r)## and ##z_1(<z_0)## are constants. The separation ##z(t)## is varied in such a way that the potential difference ##V_0## between the plates remains constant.
  • Calculate the displacement current density & displacement current between the plates through a concentric of radius ##\frac{r}{2}##
  • Calculate ##\vec H## between the plates at a distance of ##\frac{r}{2}## from the axis of the capacitor.
Now, ##\oint_{\frac{r}{2}} \vec H \cdot d\vec l = \int_S \vec J \cdot d\vec a + \int_S \vec J_d \cdot d\vec a## where ##J_d## is displacement current density. I hope to use this equation and equate ##J=0## and find out ##J_d## in the region between the plates. What I don't understand is how to use the condition ##V_0 = constant## to solve this problem. I calculated the capacitance ##C(t) = \frac{A\epsilon}{z_0+z_1 cos(\omega t)}## and that's it. I'm stuck.

EDIT 1: I think the way to go is to use ##\vec E(t) = -\nabla V(t)## where ##V(t) = \frac{Q}{C(t)}## but I'm not sure if ##Q## is also a function of time. Is it?
 
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How do you propose to find the displacement current?
 
vela said:
How do you propose to find the displacement current?
I updated the question. See Edit 1. I think I have to find ##\partial_t \vec E## first but I'm not sure if ##Q=Q(t)##.
 
The V(t) in ##\vec{E} = -\nabla V(t)## and ##V(t) = \frac{Q}{C(t)}## aren't the same quantity. The V in the first expression is also a function of the spatial coordinates, otherwise you'll get 0 when you take the gradient. The V(t) in the second expression is the potential difference across the capacitor; you were told it's equal to a constant ##V_0##. (That should answer your question about whether Q is a constant or not.)

You're on the right track though. You want to relate the electric field inside the capacitor to the potential difference across the plates.
 
vela said:
The V(t) in ##\vec{E} = -\nabla V(t)## and ##V(t) = \frac{Q}{C(t)}## aren't the same quantity. The V in the first expression is also a function of the spatial coordinates, otherwise you'll get 0 when you take the gradient. The V(t) in the second expression is the potential difference across the capacitor; you were told it's equal to a constant $V_0$.

You're on the right track though. You want to relate the electric field inside the capacitor to the potential difference across the plates.
But the question seems contradictory to me. if ##V_0## is constant then how can a displacement current exist? Does the constant V_0 imply a fixed charge on the capacitor?
 
The charge on the capacitor is equal to Q = C(t)V0. Do you still think the charge is fixed?
 
vela said:
The charge on the capacitor is equal to Q = C(t)V0. Do you still think the charge is fixed?
Obviously no. That was my first thought! But I don't see another way to explain ##V_0## = constant. Moreover I don't even see why that is a necessary condition in this question.
 
SO I did this :
## - \int _{0}^{z_0+z_1cos(\omega t)} \vec E \cdot d\vec l = V_0 \implies E= -\frac{V_0}{z_0+z_1cos(\omega t)} ## or ##\partial_t E = \frac{V_0z_1sin(\omega t)}{z_0+z_1cos(\omega t)}##. Is this the right way?
 
Yes, but the denominator should be squared in your final result.
 
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vela said:
Yes, but the denominator should be squared in your final result.
Oops. Sorry for that!
 

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