Calculating Distance with a Balanced Pivot

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two objects balanced on a pivot, with a specific focus on calculating the distance from the pivot to the objects. The subject area includes concepts of forces, equilibrium, and torque.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to set up the problem, particularly regarding the role of distances in the equations related to net force and torque. Some participants suggest considering both translational and rotational equilibrium, while others emphasize the importance of torque calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider torque and equilibrium, but the original poster has not yet attempted a solution or drawn a sketch to clarify the distances involved.

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There is a lack of clarity regarding the setup of the problem, particularly in how to incorporate distances into the calculations. The original poster has not attempted any calculations yet, indicating a need for foundational understanding before proceeding.

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Homework Statement



The two objects in the figure below are balanced on the pivot, with m = 1.8 kg. What is the distance d?

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff4/alg5045/p13-27alt.gif

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The Attempt at a Solution


I haven't attempted a solution because I'm not sure how to set this problem up. I know that a Fnet must be found, and I know that the two masses would be in the equation and I know that the pivot would exert a normal force. I know part of the equation would be Fnet = N(pivot) - (m1 + m2)g, but where do the distances come into play?
 
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aligass2004 said:

Homework Statement



The two objects in the figure below are balanced on the pivot, with m = 1.8 kg. What is the distance d?

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff4/alg5045/p13-27alt.gif

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The Attempt at a Solution


I haven't attempted a solution because I'm not sure how to set this problem up. I know that a Fnet must be found, and I know that the two masses would be in the equation and I know that the pivot would exert a normal force. I know part of the equation would be Fnet = N(pivot) - (m1 + m2)g, but where do the distances come into play?
Your approach will solve for the normal force at the pivot by setting Fnet=0 because the system is in translational equilibrium. But since the loads are balanced, you must also look at the rotational equilibrium about the pivot, wher the sum of the torques must be zero. Are you familiar with torque calculations for moments of the objects about the pivot point?
 
No I'm not.
 
Torque of a mass about a point is just its weight times the perpendicular distance of its cg to the point. The torque of each mass must then balance. You'll have to draw a good sketch to get the proper distances involved.
 
I have no idea how to do that.
 

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