Calculating Distance with Friction on an Icy Surface

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a disc moving on an icy surface, specifically focusing on calculating the friction coefficient and the distance traveled by a disc of double mass under the same initial conditions. The subject area includes concepts of friction, motion, and the effects of mass on distance traveled.

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  • The original poster seeks feedback on their solution and questions whether there is an alternative method for calculating distance with friction. Participants discuss the implications of mass on distance traveled and the relationship between friction and normal force.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the calculations and highlighted potential pitfalls in substituting values too early. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the effect of mass on distance traveled, with no explicit consensus reached on the original poster's intuition about heavier objects traveling less distance.

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Participants note that the problem may contain unnecessary information and emphasize the importance of careful substitution in equations to avoid confusion and inaccuracies.

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Hi, would like to get a feedback on my answer to this question, did I do it right?
In part 2 of the question is there another way to calculate distance with friction?

the question is:
a disc is moving on icy surface has an initial speed of 12m/s 42m until it stops
1. what is the friction coefficient?
2. if you take a disc made of the same material as the first and moves at the same initial speed but has double the mass how far would that disc go?

ty!

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You are correct. However you substituted values too early which made things a bit harder than necessary. If you hadn't done that then for Q1 you would arrive at the equation...

μ = Vo2/2gx

then substitute values to give μ = 0.17

For Q2 you can simply rearrange the equation to give...

x = Vo2/2gμ

from which you can see that x is independent of the mass.
 
PS: The more mass the disc has the more inertia it has so you might expect it to go further BUT the friction force is proportional to the normal force which depends on mass. So mass ends up cancelling.

PPS: It's not unknown for examiners to give you lots of unnecessary information and if you substitute values early you can end up wasting a lot of time (and accuracy) if it cancels out of the equation.
 
tyvm!
CWatters said:
PS: The more mass the disc has the more inertia it has so you might expect it to go further
yes, I wondered about that but the other way around, thought it will travel less, it seemed to make sense intuitively - that heavier objects will travel less distance, obviously it doesn't - why? is that due to inertia as you mentioned?
CWatters said:
It's not unknown for examiners to give you lots of unnecessary information and if you substitute values early you can end up wasting a lot of time (and accuracy) if it cancels out of the equation.
ty!, noted!
 
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